honorentheos wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:41 pm
Markk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:24 pm
Ok, I stand corrected, it was the democratic congress and liberal media that was spreading the lie?
More specifically, Adam Schiff asserted it was a fabrication, the DOJ and FBI were acknowledged to have the laptop, and Schiff changed his claims.
The media is hardly a monolithic entity that can be said to have made any single claim universally.
But equally you do not understand a lot of things either. You didn’t even know, nor did Res, that the FBI had the lap top..in fact you had to google around and find that Ratcliffe agreed with the FBI and DoJ it was not Russian disinformation, and finally find it on a conservative site. This speaks a lot to just how muzzle this was and who owned the narrative which was a flat out lie.
You're right that I had forgotten that detail. It is irrelevant to the issue, though, and in the time since we hashed through this with you before that wasn't meaningful. It only seems meaningful of you believe there is a mass conspiracy. But that requires significant ignorance regarding policies and behaviors that your conjecture paints into living, breathing, and breeding bunny rabbits hopping around in the clouds.
You want to turn the corner to evidence Joe Biden is compromised? The emails claiming he had a meeting with a Ukrainian contact of Hunter has been shown to be at most the potential they both attended a 12-person dinner party. China? Further emails show Hunter saying the potential deal was given a hard no.
You want to argue that Hunter Biden has bad judgement? There's no argument with me. Hunter Biden is a bad judgement powder keg of a person. Some say it comes from trauma associated with his mother and sibling being killed in a car accident where he was present and seriously injured when he was young. Whatever it is, it isn't a Joe Biden scandal.
What I do understand is right and wrong, and we can credit Trump with a lot of wrong…but in this case he was 100% correct that the laptop was Hunters and more importantly that it was NOT Russian disinformation, and that as the article states the democrats in congress were the ones feeding the propaganda that it was Russian disinformation.
Again, the issue was the people with the hard drives pushing the narrative of scandal were also refusing to share the electronic copies of the emails. The PDFs that were shared had 2019 in their metadata and looked suspect.
Some of this is starting to come back and sounds familiar, as I am sure it is with you…but Adam Schiff sat/sits as chairman of the intelligence committee, he was told it was a lie, but still told the American people, flat out, it was from the Kremlin. You went through that video I pasted earlier where the left wing media was apparently parroting Schiff. This is so wrong from so many angles.
Markk, step out of the smoke and discuss the fire. What is actually of concern here regarding the laptop and it's contents related to Joe Biden?
More specifically, Adam Schiff asserted it was a fabrication, the DOJ and FBI were acknowledged to have the laptop, and Schiff changed his claims.
The media is hardly a monolithic entity that can be said to have made any single claim universally.
He didn’t just assert anything…he flat out said over and over, and I assume still does in that I haven’t heard any detraction or apology. I think I got this correct here…The DOJ, FBI and and the director of National intelligence, said that it was Hunter Biden laptop and HD, and that there was no evidence of Russian Disinformation…but Schiff, who was House committee chairman on intelligence, and is advised on top secrete and other highly sensitive “things,” by the office of the director doubled down and said it was Russian disinformation over and over.
I didn’t say they made a “single claim universally”…I said the “left wing” media championed the disinformation story and I gave a long video of misc clips proving this.
You can’t have it one way and say that Russia can, through right wing media, spread disinformation, then deny that the left can’t. The difference is I can objectively show that the left jumped all over the Schiff propaganda (that’s what it is), and I can equally show that Schiff was dead wrong.