Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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subgenius wrote:
EAllusion wrote:I'm pretty sure a funny Urban Dictionary entry making fun of Kavanaugh's lies is going to have approximately zero effect on electoral politics.

as will anything Urban Dictionary has to offer. Only an idiot would consider UD as a definitive resource to validate or invalidate slang terms from the 80s.


OK. I agree that dictionaries simply record usage, and the Urban Dictionary is not, shall we say, a lexicographical heavy weight. It's usage that decides what a word means.

So: find me an instance or two from writing of the period contemporary with Judge K's yearbook in which the phrase 'Devil's Triangle' refers to a drinking game. Then Judge K will be home and clear.
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Chap wrote:So: find me an instance or two from writing of the period contemporary with Judge K's yearbook in which the phrase 'Devil's Triangle' refers to a drinking game. Then Judge K will be home and clear.

Fair enough, but first you offer up at least one instance where anything, anyone, anywhere at anytime supports one word of Ford's allegation.

Kavanaugh's veracity for the historical use of colloquial terms does not validate one word of her testimony, nor is it relevant to his ability to execute the duties of Supreme Court. Whereas Kavanaugh may well have known the common meaning of the devil's triangle he still may have it used for a juvenile drinking game (a practice not uncommon, just browse the aforementioned UD)...just like how "sex on the beach" is a more common reference to a drink than actual sandy genitals.

(and for what it's worth, the bermuda triangle has long shared the alias of "devil's triangle"....so yeah, history is cool).
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subgenius wrote:Fair enough, but first you offer up at least one instance where anything, anyone, anywhere at anytime supports one word of Ford's allegation.


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Had we uncovered a letter by Kavanaugh saying he slid his weiner into Renate's beaver without her consent, people like substupid would be insisting this only means he was sharing some of his hotdog with her pet beaver because it was hungry and Kavanaugh is the kind of guy who loves animals. Common sense and any sense at all really, doesn't work with damned retarded people like subs.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
subgenius wrote:Fair enough, but first you offer up at least one instance where anything, anyone, anywhere at anytime supports one word of Ford's allegation.


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Can't remember ANYTHING? What the "F"s wrong with you?
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Mr. Peterson weighs in again:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... -case.html

With his permission, I share something that my friend and neighbor and, frequently, our amazingly generous helper with Interpreter Foundation technical needs Tom Pittman originally posted on Facebook:

- I don’t know what happened between Kavanaugh and Ford, and neither do you.

Witnesses would be helpful, but there are none.

In lieu of witnesses, an abundance of judges have stepped forward with verdicts that were pretty much decided years ago when they chose to affiliate with a political party.

As someone who still mows his own lawn, washes his own car, and doesn’t outsource his thinking either…

I cannot condemn Ford for her accusation, for she could be telling the truth.

And I cannot condemn Kavanaugh for his anger about being accused, for he could be telling the truth.

It is hard not to condemn America though, for your shallow, binary thinking; your lynch mob bloodlust; and your eagerness to manipulate for your cause.

If you are wondering whose fault this Supreme Court circus is, look in the mirror.

There are only two reasons why America is how it is today: Democrats and Republicans, for they are the only groups that have ever held power since 1856.

=> If America had no parties, or more than two viable parties, then politicians would have to win on their own merits rather than merely vilify the only other alternative. Civility would matter once again.

Discipleship to a political party does not make you right and the other side wrong, it makes you a pawn to be played by the two groups vying for power.

We can all see what the problem is, however not enough of us can summon courage to vote in a way that fixes it.

America may still the land of the free, but I am starting to wonder if we are still the home of the brave.

I also call attention to a piece by Kimberly Strassel, of the Wall Street Journal:

“A vote against Kavanaugh is a vote for ambush tactics and against due process”

Incidentally, I’ve lately been reading mocking criticisms of Lindsay Graham and Brett Kavanaugh for their “white man anger.”

Of course, had Judge Kavanaugh not been angry, he would have been mocked and criticized for being robotic and inauthentic. And I loved Senator Graham’s indignation. But then, I suppose that I must be an angry white man, as well.

I’ll be candid: I don’t see why it’s legitimate to drag gender and race into such things. Doing so seems to me, frankly, both racist and sexist. Imagine the outcry if one were to mockingly criticize Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI), she who demands that men shut up and “believe women” without question, as exhibiting “Asian woman anger.” Or if one were to dismiss Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) and Senator Cory Spartacus Booker (D-Ancient Thrace) as manifesting, respectively, “Black Woman Anger” or “Black Man Anger.” It would be deafening, and probably with justice.

Since when did it become a matter of shame to be a white male? And how is it any better to mock, deride, and dismiss white men than it would be to mock, deride, and dismiss black women, or Asian men, or men or women of any other ethnicity?

Anyway, just for the record, neither Tom Pittman nor Kimberly Strassel is showing “white man anger” in the comments above. Trust me on this.

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Kevin Graham wrote:Had we uncovered a letter by Kavanaugh saying he slid his weiner into Renate's beaver without her consent, people like substupid would be insisting this only means he was sharing some of his hotdog with her pet beaver because it was hungry and Kavanaugh is the kind of guy who loves animals. Common sense and any sense at all really, doesn't work with damned retarded people like subs.


I just want to note that it seems the obsession with genitalia comes more often than not from the left side these days.

That said, why would you drag Carlos Danger into the discussion? Lol. damned Kevin...

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EAllusion wrote:Intellectual dishonesty is so rife in conservatism that conservatives not acting in bad faith shock me. Kavanaugh being a shameless liar is extremely on brand. What the hell happened? My very liberal friends will tell you that this is just what conservativism has always been like, but that's not true at all.

Is it that there's something about how conservative power structures operate that cause the most dishonest characters to rise to the top? Maybe. Something not appreciated by the general public is that non-conservative thinking so thoroughly dominates intellectuals that the few well-qualified people conservatives have to get funnelled up the ranks can be really goofy sorts of people. If you make it through advanced education down-the-line thinking what passes for current mainstream conservative orthodoxy, something's off. Depending on your major, you won't even be able to pass tests without something giving. Maybe this predisposes dishonesty.

Or is it, as I fear, that conservative culture itself inculcates dishonesty? I have extensive experience with hardcore religious people culturally being into what people on this board would call, "lying for the lord" and maybe that mentality has infected conservatism. There's already substantial overlap between evangelical culture, where lying for the lord is as culturally normal as anything, and conservative politics. There's certainly the right ingredients there: a sense of aggrievedness and inherent moral superiority coupled with life experience defending hard to defend views.


Here's an answer:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... 2417749632

This paper argues that Republicans do not believe in the legitimacy of their opposition, which ample evidence shows, therefore they feel comfortable with lying to convey deeper truths. This is essentially what occurs in my latter option with religious people who "lie for the lord."
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You mean he's not going to let this sham drag on until the mid-terms???!?!??! WOW.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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