Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

[_MrStakhanovite]

Completely irrelevant.

Pretty relevant if you want to extrapolate judgments about an entire class of people based on some set of data.

[_Buffalo]

I'm trying to nail down what you actually mean here

It's pretty simple modus tollens.

If X then Y

If liberals dominate Academia, then we should see signs of liberal influence.

~Y

We see signs of discrimination and nepotism, the exact opposite of what any Liberal would stand for.

~X

Therefore, Liberals do not dominate Academia.

That's me being charitable to Liberals, and not trying to confirm some bias I have.

As arguments go, that's bordering on stupid. That's me being charitable. Can you think of any organization completely free of nepotism, discrimination, etc? No? I guess liberals don't exist. I hate to pull a Simon, but No True Scotsman comes to mind.

You seem to be unable, when presented with facts contrary to your assertions, to admit to error.

Not to mention the unstated assumption in your argument that we don't see signs of liberal influence in academia. Really?

The fact is the vast majority self-identify as liberal. As soon as you can absorb that fact into your system we can maybe make strides in thinking about why that is.

[_Buffalo]

Completely irrelevant.

Pretty relevant if you want to extrapolate judgments about an entire class of people based on some set of data.

The data is they consider themselves liberal. You can dissemble about it all you like, I suppose.

[_MrStakhanovite]

As arguments go, that's bordering on stupid. That's me being charitable.

LOL

Can you think of any organization completely free of nepotism, discrimination, etc?

Yes, thousands of student organizations.

No? I guess liberals don't exist. I hate to pull a Simon, but No True Scotsman comes to mind.

Pulling a Simon is definently what you are doing. Can you point out where in my post that deals with Liberals existed or not? Can you map out for me how my argument deals with the existence of liberals existing or not existing?

Not to mention the unstated assumption in your argument that we don't see signs of liberal influence in academia. Really?

It's been a while since you've been a University, isn't it? By the way, you couldn't show that 'unstated assumption' in what I presented, because it's simply not there.

[_MrStakhanovite]

The data is they consider themselves liberal. You can dissemble about it all you like, I suppose.

That is like saying "They consider themselves Christian". And these types of questions are pretty common when researchers get together and talk about what they can draw from a set of data, so you should be able to answer these types of things before you wave something around and making claims about it.

[_Buffalo]

Can you think of any organization completely free of nepotism, discrimination, etc?

Yes, thousands of student organizations.

Lovely assertion. I'll respond to that by asserting that every secular university in the US is also completely free of nepotism and discrimination. What fun.

No? I guess liberals don't exist. I hate to pull a Simon, but No True Scotsman comes to mind.

Pulling a Simon is definently what you are doing. Can you point out where in my post that deals with Liberals existed or not? Can you map out for me how my argument deals with the existence of liberals existing or not existing?

You're defining "liberal" so narrowly so as to exclude all the liberals. An ad hoc approach, for sure.

Not to mention the unstated assumption in your argument that we don't see signs of liberal influence in academia. Really?

It's been a while since you've been a University, isn't it? By the way, you couldn't show that 'unstated assumption' in what I presented, because it's simply not there.

It's been a few days. Your unstated assumption:

"If liberals dominate Academia, then we should see signs of liberal influence."

Do we or don't we, Stak?

[_Buffalo]

The data is they consider themselves liberal. You can dissemble about it all you like, I suppose.

That is like saying "They consider themselves Christian". And these types of questions are pretty common when researchers get together and talk about what they can draw from a set of data, so you should be able to answer these types of things before you wave something around and making claims about it.

The only reason you're making a fuss about it is it contradicts your off the cuff denial that liberals dominate academia.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Lovely assertion. I'll respond to that by asserting that every secular university in the US is also completely free of nepotism and discrimination. What fun.

Okay, but your own article contradicts that.

You're defining "liberal" so narrowly so as to exclude all the liberals. An ad hoc approach, for sure.

Narrowly? How many liberals do you think there are who advocate Sexism?

"If liberals dominate Academia, then we should see signs of liberal influence."

Do we see signs that liberals dominate Academia? No. For already stated reasons.

The only reason you're making a fuss about it is it contradicts your off the cuff denial that liberals dominate academia..

I’m trying to talk you out of bad habits you picked up in your Mormon past. You don’t move from one study to a broad generalization like that, it’s sloppy.

[_Buffalo]

The data is they consider themselves liberal. You can dissemble about it all you like, I suppose.

That is like saying "They consider themselves Christian". And these types of questions are pretty common when researchers get together and talk about what they can draw from a set of data, so you should be able to answer these types of things before you wave something around and making claims about it.

Yes, it's much like that. I think it's safe to say that these doctors knows whether or not they're liberal.

[_Buffalo]

Narrowly? How many liberals do you think there are who advocate Sexism?

Another misleading statement. Who is "advocating" sexism here? If mild institutional hypocrisy disqualifies anyone from being liberal, I guess we're all conservatives, right?

"If liberals dominate Academia, then we should see signs of liberal influence."

Do we see signs that liberals dominate Academia? No. For already stated reasons.

Of course. That's why, all across the country, hyper-conservative college professors have been shutting down pro-LGBT messages and groups. And stumping for right wing politicians and right wing thinkers. Good call.

The only reason you're making a fuss about it is it contradicts your off the cuff denial that liberals dominate academia..

I’m trying to talk you out of bad habits you picked up in your Mormon past. You don’t move from one study to a broad generalization like that, it’s sloppy.

You're doing an awfully poor job of it. Your "logic" is mopologetic. Sloppy, ad hoc, self serving and embarrassingly clunky. You're better than this.