FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

[Guest]

This video pretty much nails down that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... CHaSGaUAk8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... E1q4Ea9b4Y

in my opinion, that point is, by now, pretty much nailed down even without the above videos.

I am frankly amazed that even some people as erudite and supposedly well educated as Mikwut can remain so clueless to the overt racism and white supremacy that permeates Trump and his policies and Fox News' coverage of it. He keeps asking for evidence of Trump's racism and white Supremacy, even after all the clear evidence already presented. If he still can't see it, he has either deliberately blinded himself to it (as have Ajax and Subby, among others) or he is severely impaired cognitively for someone who claims to be a successful lawyer!

There bright spots, though, even in Fox News. Chris Wallace and Shep Smith both seem to have a much more realistic and critical view of Trump and what he is than Fox News generally.

[_Some Schmo]

There bright spots, though, even in Fox News. Chris Wallace and Shep Smith both seem to have a much more realistic and critical view of Trump and what he is than Fox News generally.

You know, I've often felt moved to point this out too.

Here's the thing, though; they continue to appear on a network that they must know (if we grant them the integrity we praise them for) is perpetrating hate and division, and constantly pushing BS. At what point do you stop granting them the benefit of the doubt? They're talented, well known guys. They could find another job.

I actually think they are part of the problem. They lend credibility to a network that deserves no credibility.

[_Gunnar]

I actually think they are part of the problem. They lend credibility to a network that deserves no credibility.

You know, that thought has occurred to me too. I suppose it is possible that that is the sole reason they are still employed by Fox News.

[_Some Schmo]

I actually think they are part of the problem. They lend credibility to a network that deserves no credibility.

You know, that thought has occurred to me too. I suppose it is possible that that is the sole reason they are still employed by Fox News.

Heh. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[_Goya]

It is a Courbet and is probably originally a part of the Musée d'Orsay's L'Origine du monde (The Origin of the World); ...

probably?
its highly unlikely that it is any presumed "other part".
But a nice detail for an avatar.

Ah, thank you, Sub. Correction noted. I just googled it and you're right.

[_mikwut]

E and Kevin,

I have done my own look into your thoughts that this white supremacist language equals white supremacy. I haven't been convinced by anything in your posts that because the use of language (or a word many times) is found to overlap with white supremacists makes someone a white supremacist. For example, someone who is currently against stopping illegal immigration, for a wall etc.. can use the word "invasion" all they want without being a white supremacist, in fact it can even go viral or take off but it doesn't make it so. Without the fact that that person is in fact a member of some white supremacist organization or some other evidence to make such a charge it is simply reckless, foolish and giving into what I posted earlier. Needing a simple answer to very complex human problems. I love america! I say that on the fourth of July, white supremacists say that. I am not a white supremacist. The logic is just horrible.

I would criticize the media for all this. The clip I provided above on RT I find to be the most balanced position. The criticisms of both sides of the media should be what is happening across our country to stop this nonsense. CNN just gave air time to an admitted white supremacist so they could get him to say Trump uses similar language. Why give these little enclaves of hate air time? Why do that? This just puts gas on small fires of real hate, burns and boldens fires of false virtue and it avoids the real issues our country faces. Any imbalance is a form of hate. The media is imbalanced. So if hate is what is the real enemy we shouldn't put up with the current state of affairs in the media. Both Fox and CNN/MSNBC etc.. should to held the fire. Joining one side is not helping. Banning watching Fox, CNN or other agenda driven media is what will send the message that our populace wants balanced journalism not radically left or right side talking heads.

I didn't vote for Trump, I won't vote for Trump in 2020. But he is not White Supremacist that I am sure. He is clumsy, inartful and God I wish someone could've convinced him otherwise to stay off Twitter - but its just ridiculous and giving into real agenda's to keep a narrative that he is white supremacist.

mikwut

mikwut

[_EAllusion]

At a certain point, if people who move in white supremacist circles make white supremacist arguments over white supremacist concerns using jargon particular to white supremacists, then I feel comfortable saying they are white supremacists. I realize that for some people the bar is so high for calling someone something tantamount to racist that no one can meet it in practice unless they adopt a few superficial traits such as wearing klan robes, having a swastika tattoo, using the n-word, etc. But the substance of white supremacy is stuff like this.

Is everyone at Fox a white supremacist? No. Is Tucker Carlson? Absolutely. He's heavily watched white supremacist who broadcasts white supremacist propaganda several days a week. Or he's pretending to be a white supremacist because selling their propaganda is a good racket. That might even be worse if it was the case. Is Laura Ingraham? Of course. Is Shepard Smith? No.

[_EAllusion]

I didn't vote for Trump, I won't vote for Trump in 2020. But he is not White Supremacist that I am sure.

mikwut

Let's take a recent episode. Trump trashed the the district of Rep. Cummings as a dangerous and filthy place infested with rats due to the failure of his leadership. "So?" you might say, "Trump lashes out at his critics. That doesn't mean it's racist." Only, the thing is Trump has an extensive pattern of referring to Congressional districts represented by black people using negative racial stereotypes of blacks. Specifically, he tends to describe them in the stereotypes of an "inner city" circa the late 80's. It's a consistent theme. He does this regardless of whether those stereotypes are even ballpark true. He attributes it to the failed leadership of black congressional representatives. The tempting thing to do is to point out that's not even what Congressional reps are responsible for, but what Trump is really doing is implying that blacks are unfit to govern and result in crime-infested, filthy chaos. I don't mean to suggest he does this with sophistication. This is a dullard racist idea that he's just tweeting out there when lashing out in frustration, usually prompted by something he saw on Fox. You don't typically see the same criticism lobbed at, say, Beto O'Rourke.

Meanwhile, actual crime infested, poor white areas are victims of circumstances beyond their control keeping them down. The main theme is they are the victims of foreigners stealing their jobs via immigration or trade. Sympathy for them, contempt for where blacks live.

This is a white supremacist view. This does not mean Trump is a sophisticated white supremacist. He's a racist from Queens who believes that blacks are just in general less civilized and that it's better to have whites around. He says so many different things that follow this theme. That's why he'd rather have poorly educated Norwegian immigrants than highly educated African immigrants from "shithole countries."

[_Gunnar]

E and Kevin,

I have done my own look into your thoughts that this white supremacist language equals white supremacy. I haven't been convinced by anything in your posts that because the use of language (or a word many times) is found to overlap with white supremacists makes someone a white supremacist. For example, someone who is currently against stopping illegal immigration, for a wall etc.. can use the word "invasion" all they want without being a white supremacist, in fact it can even go viral or take off but it doesn't make it so. Without the fact that that person is in fact a member of some white supremacist organization or some other evidence to make such a charge it is simply reckless, foolish and giving into what I posted earlier. Needing a simple answer to very complex human problems. I love america! I say that on the fourth of July, white supremacists say that. I am not a white supremacist. The logic is just horrible.

I would criticize the media for all this. The clip I provided above on RT I find to be the most balanced position. The criticisms of both sides of the media should be what is happening across our country to stop this nonsense. CNN just gave air time to an admitted white supremacist so they could get him to say Trump uses similar language. Why give these little enclaves of hate air time? Why do that? This just puts gas on small fires of real hate, burns and boldens fires of false virtue and it avoids the real issues our country faces. Any imbalance is a form of hate. The media is imbalanced. So if hate is what is the real enemy we shouldn't put up with the current state of affairs in the media. Both Fox and CNN/MSNBC etc.. should to held the fire. Joining one side is not helping. Banning watching Fox, CNN or other agenda driven media is what will send the message that our populace wants balanced journalism not radically left or right side talking heads.

I didn't vote for Trump, I won't vote for Trump in 2020. But he is not White Supremacist that I am sure. He is clumsy, inartful and God I wish someone could've convinced him otherwise to stay off Twitter - but its just ridiculous and giving into real agenda's to keep a narrative that he is white supremacist.

mikwut

mikwut

I'm glad you didn't vote for Trump and will not vote for him next year. Nevertheless, this last post of yours has reinforced my opinion that you are either willfully blind or cognitively impaired. But even if, despite all the evidence, Trump is not a dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist himself, can there really be any serious doubt that he deliberately panders to racists and white supremacists, and that at least some white supremacists take heart from his rhetoric and regard him as one of their own? Obviously many of these mass shooters do! Do you deny that?

[_Kevin Graham]

E and Kevin,

I have done my own look into your thoughts that this white supremacist language equals white supremacy. I haven't been convinced by anything in your posts that because the use of language (or a word many times) is found to overlap with white supremacists makes someone a white supremacist. For example, someone who is currently against stopping illegal immigration, for a wall etc.. can use the word "invasion" all they want without being a white supremacist, in fact it can even go viral or take off but it doesn't make it so. Without the fact that that person is in fact a member of some white supremacist organization or some other evidence to make such a charge it is simply reckless, foolish and giving into what I posted earlier. Needing a simple answer to very complex human problems. I love america! I say that on the fourth of July, white supremacists say that. I am not a white supremacist. The logic is just horrible.

I would criticize the media for all this. The clip I provided above on RT I find to be the most balanced position. The criticisms of both sides of the media should be what is happening across our country to stop this nonsense. CNN just gave air time to an admitted white supremacist so they could get him to say Trump uses similar language. Why give these little enclaves of hate air time? Why do that? This just puts gas on small fires of real hate, burns and boldens fires of false virtue and it avoids the real issues our country faces. Any imbalance is a form of hate. The media is imbalanced. So if hate is what is the real enemy we shouldn't put up with the current state of affairs in the media. Both Fox and CNN/MSNBC etc.. should to held the fire. Joining one side is not helping. Banning watching Fox, CNN or other agenda driven media is what will send the message that our populace wants balanced journalism not radically left or right side talking heads.

I didn't vote for Trump, I won't vote for Trump in 2020. But he is not White Supremacist that I am sure. He is clumsy, inartful and God I wish someone could've convinced him otherwise to stay off Twitter - but its just ridiculous and giving into real agenda's to keep a narrative that he is white supremacist.

mikwut

mikwut

You asked for examples of something, I provided NUMEROUS, you ignored all but one which wasn't relevant, and now you're deferring to some video clip you saw on Youtube as an excuse for your failure to grapple with nuance and equating everything because that's just easier to do. If you're one of those guys who says CNN and MSNBC is JUST LIKE Fox then there is really nothing I can do for you. A lot of what that guy said on RT is just his opinion, and he didn't do much beyond present a correlation = causation fallacy + circular reasoning to support his case.

You seem to believe Trump isn't really anything that he really is because the Left created a false caricature of him in the media. The guy in the video doesn't really say that, but you seem to believe that's the logical understanding of what he's saying. This way, nothing Trump does or says can be used to prove the media is right about him because, well, your own little conspiracy theory says it is all a master plan for ratings.

And here I thought you were going to be a serious person. You criticize those who watch any form of mainstream media because that's where the real hate is, while you gloat about having the TRUTH from a Russian funded internet outlet. You can't make this crap up.