Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I'm a little astonished at how, hrm, 'disregardful' the Right is of our federal government and its checks and balances. I'm also surprised at how quickly the Executive branch can assume a dictatorial relationship with the Legislative branch through the latter's own capitulation. I guess the lesson from this administration I've taken is how utterly powerless our government is at correcting itself once those in power decide to do whatever they want. We literally have folks on the Right posting here alluding to electing an autocrat into power is fine because *reasons*, or having a separatist movement is fine because *reasons*, or are so incapable of thinking they (subgenius) are stuck in spates of shitposting because that's literally the upper limit of their cognitive skills. THAT'S damned scary, and THAT'S how republics crumble. Not that they care. I think they're hoping for another thorough watering of our Tree of Liberty.
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This is also very true. There is an anger out there, but I don’t think it’s as subs imagines it being due to the self-imagined cleverness of the troll, but instead over the fact that the troll has allowed him/herself to act so stupidly and with so little respect for themselves or the system in general.
Gunnar wrote:Why are current GOP supporters so sycophantly and blindly supportive of actions committed by conservative Republicans about which they would scream bloody murder if committed by Democrats or liberals?
Lack of integrity, generally, if you’re talking about the double standard. We can toss pride and their delicate sense of self, as general reasons otherwise.
Pretty sure that most of these folks usually fall prey to the ‘three reasons’ if they’re not politicians. If they’re politicians, they’re just doing what they need to do in order to stay career politicians.
To be clear, what Donald Trump did was lead an administration that negotiated with the Kurds to reduce their defenses against Turkish invasion in exchange for security commitments, then after they did so, Donald Trump reneged on those commitments opening them up to Turkish invasion that happened almost immediately.
Subgenius is so thirsty for a tu quque fallacy that he claims Obama did the same thing, but all he can do is reference old slogan-level understanding of criticisms of Obama-era policy on Syria that were popular in right-wing media. In doing so, he has to distort what Trump did into merely failing to protect Kurdish territory sufficiently when what he's being especially criticized for is the betrayal, both because of the immorality of it on its own terms and because of its negative ripple effects on the US being viewed as a reliable ally. Secondarily, the sudden recklessness of the act unnecessarily risks regional destabilization.
He can't cite Obama doing the same with the Kurds because Obama didn't do the same with the Kurds. The closest analog was when the first Bush administration gave indications it would support Kurdish forces in the post-Persian Gulf insurgency and then did not do so. And that's still way different.
Trump's behavior was an outright backstab. Given how corrupt his administration has been found to be time and time again, the most pressing remaining question is if and what he got out of it, and we may never know that answer.
Regarding why subgenius so reliably carries water for amoral, would -be autocrats, it's hard to nail down the soul of a troll. In general, I know some trolls are so deluded in their self-confidence about what "really matters" that they adopt a smarmy attitude and believe what they perceive as as faults in others justifies their relentless dishonesty. They think they know better even though they're really a walking dunning-kruger effect.
It is worse than that. Pulling out is one thing, but telling the Kurds to disarm with the promise U.S. wouldn't greenlight an attack is just pure evil.
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Leaving aside the question of why U.S. troops were there in the first place, what was the point of telling the Kurds to disarm?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Leaving aside the question of why U.S. troops were there in the first place, what was the point of telling the Kurds to disarm?
Ostensibly it was to deescalate tension on the Turkish border. Though with Trump, it could also have been deliberately used to sell them out to the Turks for whatever he got out of it.
