On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

[_canpakes]

The first edition of Kautsky's book "Teufel und Verdammte" was published in 1946 in Switzerland (Büchergilde Gutenberg Zürich) and is readily available via interlibrary loan. Kautsky confirmed in the book that he knew about homicidal gassing in Auschwitz from "many reliable sources" (p. 272 - 275). He did not witness homicidal gassings himself, since he was not even detained in Auschwitz-Birkenau, but in Auschwitz-Monowitz, and he did not belong to the Sonderkommando detail dealing with the extermination.

[_Smokey]

The first edition of Kautsky's book "Teufel und Verdammte" was published in 1946 in Switzerland (Büchergilde Gutenberg Zürich) and is readily available via interlibrary loan. Kautsky confirmed in the book that he knew about homicidal gassing in Auschwitz from "many reliable sources" (p. 272 - 275). He did not witness homicidal gassings himself, since he was not even detained in Auschwitz-Birkenau, but in Auschwitz-Monowitz, and he did not belong to the Sonderkommando detail dealing with the extermination.

One might ask, who wrote this?

If you jokingly said, some anonymous blogspot (yes, I said blogspot) blogger you would actually be correct.

Ok, back to Ignore List you go. You are not a serious person and only seek to obfuscate this issue of your religious faith.

[_canpakes]

The first edition of Kautsky's book "Teufel und Verdammte" was published in 1946 in Switzerland (Büchergilde Gutenberg Zürich) and is readily available via interlibrary loan. Kautsky confirmed in the book that he knew about homicidal gassing in Auschwitz from "many reliable sources" (p. 272 - 275). He did not witness homicidal gassings himself, since he was not even detained in Auschwitz-Birkenau, but in Auschwitz-Monowitz, and he did not belong to the Sonderkommando detail dealing with the extermination.

One might ask, who wrote this?

If you jokingly said, some anonymous blogspot (yes, I said blogspot) blogger you would actually be correct.

Ok, back to Ignore List you go. You are not a serious person and only seek to obfuscate this issue of your religious faith.

That's Kautsky's source. You won't post it here because it will show that your source selectively edited his words.

Put me on ignore. You cannot deal with these facts, so feel free to pretend that they're not still being posted and visible to others after you turn off your own view. ; )

[Guest]

Who wrote this paragraph:

The first edition of Kautsky's book "Teufel und Verdammte" was published in 1946 in Switzerland (Büchergilde Gutenberg Zürich) and is readily available via interlibrary loan. Kautsky confirmed in the book that he knew about homicidal gassing in Auschwitz from "many reliable sources" (p. 272 - 275). He did not witness homicidal gassings himself, since he was not even detained in Auschwitz-Birkenau, but in Auschwitz-Monowitz, and he did not belong to the Sonderkommando detail dealing with the extermination.

You won’t say. Did it come from blogspot.com?

You seem to be confused about, well, everything, not the least of which: Kautsky is not the author of DSMRD?!

I don’t think this kind of stupidity is genuine. This is a shill tactic. Yes, back to ignore, you go. It doesn’t seem like many people here engage you either so perhaps I’m in good company.

[_Smokey]

They never will define what the Holocaust is

Really? It's simply a term used by many people (but not me) to refer to the general phenomenon of the murder (by various means) of large numbers of European Jews, principally as a result of the activities of the Germans and their allies, in the later part of WWII. That's not a definition, it's just an unexceptionable description of how the word is used.

I appreciate you attempting to define “The Holocaust” - you are braver and more intellectually honest than the OP.

Don’t you find it a bit odd that the ancient Greek word for “burnt sacrifice” now refers to the deaths of Jews, and only Jews, during WWII?

(Side note: did you know more Catholics died in the concentration camps than Jews? Are they also victims of a Holocaust?)

What's your problem with that? That the alleged murder never happened? if so, the word used is hardly the main issue, is it?

Generally, deaths during wartime - especially from disease, starvation, and exposure are not called “murder”.

I would say that the fact that there was no systematic extermination of Jews in Germany is the main issue. Turning that fiction into a religious term, and then jailing anyone who “denies” it, is something free-thinkers should care about. As a skeptic, this bothers me. Why should people be jailed for questioning a historical event?

[Guest]

You seem to be confused about, well, everything, not the least of which: Kautsky is not the author of DSMRD?!

Except that no one claimed that. You would appear to be the one confused, if you think this.

Your Kautsky quote is edited. Of that, you are fully aware. As you are that Kautsky claimed full awareness of the existence of the Nazis murdering their 'guests'.

This is why you won't post the full quote nor link back to the original source for Kautsky's statement. You instead rely on disingenuous partial edits of his statements.

[_canpakes]

Generally, deaths during wartime - especially from disease, starvation, and exposure are not called “murder”.

Then again, deaths of civilians under your care (in 'guest worker' camps, right?) from intentional starvation, preventable disease and exposure are murder.

[_Smokey]

Your Kautsky quote is edited.

It isn’t, and you know it isn’t, and you would have posted the exact quote already instead of plagiarizing some blogspot (yes, you’re reading that correctly in 2019) blog. You can’t find it because it doesn’t exist, you literal Ape.

Of that, you are fully aware. As did Kautsky claim full awareness of the existence of the Nazis murdering their 'guests'.

Then post the actual quote, you insufferable faggot.

Post his words. Post the actual quote that was edited, or go on being ignored.

This is why you won't post the full quote nor link back to the original source for Kautsky's statement.

I linked the original source on the last page and have repeatedly posted his full quote.

Here it is again, you dishonest mook:

The source, with full quote and page number, has been provided. The book is available online for anyone interested.

https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... /index.php

Here is another quote from an eyewitness that appears in the book:

Stephen F. Pinter, who served as a lawyer for the United States War Department in the occupation forces in Germany and Austria for six years after the war, made the following statement in the widely read Catholic magazine Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959:

“I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a U.S. War Department Attorney, and can state that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. What was shown to visitors and sightseers there and erroneously described as a gas chamber was a crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any of the other concentration camps in Germany. We were told that there was a gas chamber at Auschwitz; but since that was in the Russian zone of occupation, we were not permitted to investigate since the Russians would not allow it. From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.”

[_canpakes]

I linked the original source on the last page and have repeatedly posted (Kautsky's) full quote.

No, you have not. And you won't, because your lie demands that you cannot.

And then you keep posting Pinter's denialist quote. Lol. ; )

Are you sure that you shouldn't see a doctor about a bit of early onset dementia? : D

[_MissTish]

A pretend tough guy repeatedly calling a woman 'faggot' is the cherry on the sundae for this thread.