This reminds me of the time you presented a video from Dennis Prager
This reminds me of the time Jordan won his second championship.
or perhaps the reaction is what you expected as you view the rejection of it as a political response to what you seem to believe is unbiased media presentation and facts. Challenge that then with a willingness to engage in actual discussion that isn't just "Thanks for posting let's move on".
This reminds me of the time you presented a video from Dennis Prager
This reminds me of the time Jordan won his second championship.
or perhaps the reaction is what you expected as you view the rejection of it as a political response to what you seem to believe is unbiased media presentation and facts. Challenge that then with a willingness to engage in actual discussion that isn't just "Thanks for posting let's move on".
Thanks for posting let's move on.
I appreciate the candor as it ensures we both know an actual discussion was never possible, and that attempts to engage the OP were always a waste of time. You arrived with preconceptions and biases that can not be challenged by facts all while decrying opposition to your preconception as being due to bias and groupthink. The remedy being discussion at the point of disagreement rather than preconception. But since that was never legitimately on the table, indeed, let's move on. You son may one day be grateful others did not share you views.
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Ceeboo. Can we at least agree, before I keep going, that your presenter was wrong on his reporting and is probably engaging in fear mongering?
- Doc
Sure.
To go further: I am willing to completely reject the presenter all together - and the clock.
Note to all: With the number of people addressing me, I am getting a bit overwhelmed. If I don't reply to you, please don't take that personally - consider the reality that, due to time, I am forced to pick and choose.
Also: I will be signing off soon - I have some in real life things in the works this evening.
Thanks, and that’s fine. I often felt the same when I was more conservative years ago and got dogpiled. It was hard fielding all the responses in a responsible manner. Would you like me to continue slow walking the video, or are you sort of done with it?
This reminds me of the time Jordan won his second championship.
Thanks for posting let's move on.
I appreciate the candor
I appreciate yours as well.
as it ensures we both know an actual discussion was never possible, and that attempts to engage the OP were always a waste of time.
At this point in the thread, I would absolutely agree.
You arrived with preconceptions and biases that can not be challenged by facts
I admire your laser-like ability to recognize my biases and understand that you have concluded that literal articles that were written are fiction.
You son may one day be grateful others did not share you views.
Thias is the second time that you have brought my son into the discussion - It is really bad form, and your attempt to use such a precious thing, as a weapon, is despicable. Shame on you.
Note to all: With the number of people addressing me, I am getting a bit overwhelmed. If I don't reply to you, please don't take that personally - consider the reality that, due to time, I am forced to pick and choose.
Also: I will be signing off soon - I have some in real life things in the works this evening.
Ceeboo, I can respect your limits. Yes having a whole group of folks commenting can get just too much.
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I admire your laser-like ability to recognize my biases and understand that you have concluded that literal articles that were written are fiction.
One more time, the video misrepresents the issues and data using news headlines. They aren't facts. If you still choose to commit to a discussion this may actually become clear. That offer stands. I mean you have been shown how the artic ice claim and doomsday clock claims were misrepresentations. You could very easily find out that the issue around Greta Thumburg, a teenager, quoting and deleting a bad headline that misrepresented data is itself misrepresenting the issues. In each case you could actually engage in critical thinking to bet the media you consume before choosing to share it. Or more critically, rely on it to form your views.
The video is not presenting facts.
You son may one day be grateful others did not share you views.
Thias is the second time that you have brought my son into the discussion - It is really bad form, and your attempt to use such a precious thing, as a weapon, is despicable. Shame on you.
To the contrary he is the one more likely to suffer from your insistence on taking a political side that favors inaction. If you would realize this will affect him maybe then you'll start to open up to what is being said.
An aspect of this topic that is interesting is the relationship between climate change and immigration.
When coastal populations move inland, especially to major cities, governments are going to have a hard time adjusting systemic mechanisms for things like housing, infrastructure, and other services. Displaced populations and existing resident populations will compete for scarce resources and it’ll get ugly.
The same can be said for desertification or some other phenomena that arises as a result of runaway carbon levels. The feedback loop, where environmental degradation leads to displacement, and displacement heightens political instability and leads to governance failures and the proliferation of non-state actors like terrorist organizations that thrive in chaotic environments. It’s tribalism all the way down.
To offer some degree of balance, headlines and activist statements are often alarmist. There are activists destroying works of art in an attempt to get people to act that I not only strongly disagree with but believe need to be held criminally accountable for their actions and choices. I share their concern and sense of urgency but that is the wrong way to go about educating and motivating.
The science is largely based on computer modeling fed from collected data, constantly being updated, that presents results very much akin to the hurricane path model Cam shared. What is alarming is the old models presented what we are seeing today in some of the worst case scenario models for future impacts down the road. But they are still models of incredibly complex systems. However the odds of terrible consequences being realized moved into the category of highly probable as we watch results align with past predictions for our decade.
I don't think it's easy to navigate the scale and scope of the issue in a way that doesn't seem either alarmist on one hand or complacent on the other. It's at a scale we simply aren't equipped for as humans to understand well.
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The entire video follows that format, citing news articles or a tweet from Greta Thumburg and then saying that's funny because that prediction (i.e.headline) had to be wrong since it snowed since then, there are glaciers in Glacier National Park, and humans are still around before closing with a return to the socalled doomsday clock.
Not exactly.
The video shows Greta's tweet that she posted in 2018 which said - "Top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years." She was sharing a headline that read "Top climate scientist: Humans will go extinct if we don't fix climate change by 2023." - And there was no suggestion of it being funny - The suggestion was that Greta deleted that tweet early this year (Which was 2023 at the time of deletion)
It looks like you were trying to make some kind of point that you are no longer keen to defend.
…made no suggestions, anywhere in the thread, about said tweet - or Greta - Or any teenager - or bad paraphrasing.
Well, shoot. That was a waste of time on your part, then, if no one was asking for more details about Greta’s tweet.
If you’re believing that serious people draw their conclusions about serious climate change science from the tweets of a teenager, then this may be contributing to your misunderstanding.
An aspect of this topic that is interesting is the relationship between climate change and immigration.
When coastal populations move inland, especially to major cities, governments are going to have a hard time adjusting systemic mechanisms for things like housing, infrastructure, and other services. Displaced populations and existing resident populations will compete for scarce resources and it’ll get ugly.
The same can be said for desertification or some other phenomena that arises as a result of runaway carbon levels. The feedback loop, where environmental degradation leads to displacement, and displacement heightens political instability and leads to governance failures and the proliferation of non-state actors like terrorist organizations that thrive in chaotic environments. It’s tribalism all the way down.
- Doc
Well said. This is, in my opinion, one of the thorniest issues for all people as the climate effects will not be equal in all regions. But folks in places where it becomes less inhabitable will migrate to places seen as more and more valuable with in-group/outgroup dynamics increasingly raising the probability of conflicts and violence.
the time of deletion)