Biden vs. Trump

[_Jersey Girl]

Total sh-it show.

[_MeDotOrg]

I've thought for years they ought to have a microphone kill switch in debates. When your 2 minutes are up, the mike goes off until it is your turn to speak.

It's a sad state of affairs. If you want to know one definition of a bully, remember Chris Wallace pleading with the President, "I think you might like the next question, sir!" Watching Wallace melt down was like a battered spouse syndrome develop before your eyes.

The debate commission has to have some serious discussions about the ground rules before the next debate.

Not a high note in the history of Presidential debates. The President's people will say he won. Biden's people will say he won. But Trump needed to move the needle tonight in a big way. I don't think he picked up many voters he didn't already have. I would be surprised if he swung many white female suburban voters.

Trump had to win by a lot, and I don't think he won at all.

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[_MeDotOrg]

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[_Jersey Girl]

Now that I am recovered from what I saw, here are my thoughts. Like I stated above, that was a total sh-it show. Trump did not abide by the rules he agreed to. No surprises there. The only way I can think of for them to get through an actual coherent debate is if the moderator cuts the mics on both sides and opens it for each one when they get their 2 minutes to speak, and possibly granting a rebuttal. I'm sure Trump would scream "censorship" but the American public damn sure deserves better than this.

I wasn't fully impressed with either candidate. Trump needs to shut his fu-cking mouth and let the other guy speak. Biden needs to stop responding to Trump's baiting remarks by laughing especially when discussing topics like Covid-19. He needs to stand there totally dead pan, then answer when it's his time. I say this because I think the contrast between Biden and Trump would be more obvious and pronounced. What we got instead was well, like I said, a sh-it show with little progress made on either candidate expressing their position on the issues at hand and the public is supposed to be making their choices based on the answers and presentation, if they haven't already.

Again. Cut the mics. There's no other way to give each candidate their time allotted to speak because Trump is constantly baiting and throwing out one liners. That needs to freaking stop but it probably won't because apparently no one had the spine to do it. That was a waste of time and money and if the moderators don't already know what to expect from Mr. Bombast on steroids, then they weren't paying attention to the 2016 debates.

How about a little professionalism from both the candidates and the moderators? I'm sure that's asking too much.

[_Jersey Girl]

I've thought for years they ought to have a microphone kill switch in debates. When your 2 minutes are up, the mike goes off until it is your turn to speak.

It's a sad state of affairs. If you want to know one definition of a bully, remember Chris Wallace pleading with the President, "I think you might like the next question, sir!" Watching Wallace melt down was like a battered spouse syndrome develop before your eyes.

The debate commission has to have some serious discussions about the ground rules before the next debate.

Not a high note in the history of Presidential debates. The President's people will say he won. Biden's people will say he won. But Trump needed to move the needle tonight in a big way. I don't think he picked up many voters he didn't already have. I would be surprised if he swung many white female suburban voters.

Trump had to win by a lot, and I don't think he won at all.

I just said that about the mics!!!!

I don't think either candidate "won" this debate. It wasn't a debate to start with. I suppose that Chris Wallace did the best he could under the circumstances but like I said previously, if he or anyone else expected something different from Trump then they weren't paying attention to the 2016 debates or actually, even his press conferences over the past 4 years.

The whole thing was entirely shameful and particularly galling when you consider the fact that we're in the middle of a pandemic, civil unrest is off the charts, natural disasters one after another, the unemployment rate is nuts, the economy basically sucks, our foreign allies no longer trust us, and the stakes are extremely high this election year.

It was revolting!

[_honorentheos]

It was not a good night for the United States. I was left thinking it could affect the election, though. If a person is a Trump supporter, they heard what they've been hearing for months if not years. His bombast and excessive aggressiveness are considered virtues by those who won't be livid that the President called for poll watchers to handle what he described as essentially a guaranteed fraudulent election. They probably cheered when he told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by but the real problems are on the left.

I doubt many people who are more for Trump came away feeling they shouldn't shown up come November.

That's not true for Biden. He said things that would offend Bernie followers, he unfortunately didn't respond well to the question on policing. Though he did say systemic racism is a problem he echoed a few statements that will almost certainly leave some voters feeling they aren't represented and they'll stay home. He struggled to have ownership of a Democrat-led climate policy because he tried too hard to avoid being labeled a supporter of the Green New Deal, but then would describe the benefits of the GND, then say he didn't support it he supported the Biden plan...hmmm. He needs to debate to his coalition more rather than debate against Trump. It would have helped him to give House Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez more name dropping as someone he looked forward to working with, seeking input from the community on policing reform including input from police, etc

It's a tough problem Biden has to herd the cats that are Democrats and Trump is his best asset for motivating the voters he needs. But every time he has to take a stand on a position he is almost guaranteed to alienate part of the coalition.

This debate brought to you by 2020.

[_MeDotOrg]

Now that I am recovered from what I saw, here are my thoughts. Like I stated above, that was a total sh-it show.

Dana Bash, on CNN, used the exact same expression, only she didn't bleep herself.

Honor, you're right. The American people lost. That was really a low point in our history.

[_Jersey Girl]

Now that I am recovered from what I saw, here are my thoughts. Like I stated above, that was a total sh-it show.

Dana Bash, on CNN, used the exact same expression, only she didn't bleep herself.

:surprised:

Honor, you're right. The American people lost. That was really a low point in our history.

Absolutely!

[_Jersey Girl]

Is this guy still alive? Maybe he can moderate the next debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvufFwdqMzg