Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Some Schmo wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I think no matter who Trump nominated it was just going to be a dirty, knockdown, drag out fight.

Except that we can rely on Drumpf to pick the person most easily criticized. He's a douche bag divining rod.


No doubt. I think the Repubs, as much as they complain that some sort of precedent has now been set, really don't have much room to complain. Merrick Garland was a fantastic choice, honorable, in my opinion very much a centrist, and I thought could be trusted to be apolitical. He was the perfect choice for Supreme Court. He was basically the antithesis of an 'activist judge' and the R's just weren't going to have him because Obama.

Then again, if we want to go all the way back to Bork then we can point fingers at the Democrats. Whatever the case may be, as a nation, I think we're poorer for not having Garland on the bench.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Him being qualified was never in question until now because of character.


I think no matter who Trump nominated it was just going to be a dirty, knockdown, drag out fight.

- Doc


Why? Neil Gorsuch didn't experience any of this. Either Democrats decided to hold off the dogs and not pay people to lie about him... or maybe, just maybe, Gorsuch never sexually assaulted anyone before.
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Jesus.

I guess the list of lies is much longer than I realized.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Why? Neil Gorsuch didn't experience any of this. Either Democrats decided to hold off the dogs and not pay people to lie about him... or maybe, just maybe, Gorsuch never sexually assaulted anyone before.


It's timing, and the fact that a President can't really be fought over having one pick for the Supreme Court. He was nominated at the front end of Trump's Presidency. Also, this:

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Tilting Supreme Court to the Right is a HUGE legacy issue for Trump, who hopefully is a one-term President.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Chap wrote:Sounds just the man for the Supreme Court bench.

Percentage of men who have got into drunken fights in bars that end with the cops being called, or who regard so doing as a likeable characteristic? Really not very high, I'd guess.


What has he done with the last 26-years of his life? Isn't that what Democrats should be focused on?

- Doc


As you know, I was responding to your post:

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:He was in a college bar fight? That just makes me like him, actually. Now he's relatable to half the country. :lol:

- Doc


I doubt very much that half the men in the country, let alone half the adults in the country, think it is a recommendation if someone gets into drunken fights in bars.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Him being qualified was never in question until now because of character.


I think no matter who Trump nominated it was just going to be a dirty, knockdown, drag out fight.

- Doc


That's mainly because Trump has a horrible tendency to pick the most obviously corrupt or incompetant people most likely or eager to submit to Trump's will or flatter his narcissistic ego. He evidently favors those who are most egregiously corrupt or corruptible over individuals who are competent, honorable and honest. Just consider how many of Trump's picks have already had to resign in disgrace and/or have been indicted and even convicted for serious crimes. Trump himself would probably be on trial or even in jail by now had he not been elected President. It is hardly controversial that the main reason Trump wants Kavanaugh in the Supreme Court is because he has expressed the opinion that a sitting President should be held above the law, and not be subject to subpeonas, indictments or investigations (especially criminal investigations) no matter what he has done or tried to do, however illegal or corrupt.
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This round is payback for the gop sitting on Obama's last nomination for 293 days. If the Democrats can delay this long enough then they stand a reasonable chance of gaining enough votes to force the nomination of a more moderate candidate. They are in a better position to fight this one, than they were for the last one.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Jesus.

I guess the list of lies is much longer than I realized.


So it is.

And, dammit, this guy is talking about being drunk and aggressive in 2001, and asking his friends to keep it confidential?

‘I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out’

“I drank beer with my friends,” Kavanaugh yelled in his opening statement. “Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone.”

It shouldn’t matter if someone who likes to drink beer or used to binge-drink to the point of blacking out goes on to have a successful career. What is at issue is that Blasey alleged that Kavanaugh was “visibly drunk” when the alleged assault took place. It’s possible Kavanaugh had drunk too much to remember the event.

Kavanaugh repeatedly stated that he has never blacked out in his life. Numerous people who knew him in college and high school said this was likely impossible, based on the number of times they saw him staggering drunk.

“Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him,” said Dr. Liz Swisher, a college friend of Kavanaugh’s. “I watched him drink more than a lot of people. He’d end up slurring his words, stumbling.”

“He was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time, and that he became aggressive and belligerent when he was very drunk,” said James Roche, a freshman-year college roommate of Kavanaugh’s. “I did not observe the specific incident in question, but I do remember Brett frequently drinking excessively and becoming incoherently drunk.”

“There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess, and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember,” said Lynn Brookes, a college classmate.

Kavanaugh and his friends were “loud, obnoxious frat boy-like drunks,” who were the “hardest drinkers on campus,” according to Kit Winter, Kavanaugh’s other freshman-year college roommate.

“I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them,” said Daniel Livan, who lived in Kavanaugh’s dorm. “His depiction of himself is inaccurate.”

“The fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker,” said Chad Ludington, a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh’s. “I know because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer.”

Ludington added, “I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth.”

Kavanaugh’s assertion that he has never blacked out from drinking is further challenged by his own stories and emails.

In a 2014 speech at Yale, Kavanaugh recounted his fun partying days with a story about “falling out of the bus onto the front steps of Yale Law School at about 4:45 a.m.” after attending a Red Sox game at Fenway Park. He then admitted that he and a friend had to put together their memory of the drunken night the next day.

“Indeed, as a classmate of mine and I were reminiscing and piecing things together the other day, we think we had more than a few beers before the banquet,” Kavanaugh said.

Kavanaugh, in an email to friends after a fun weekend vacation, apologized for getting belligerent after losing games of dice and said he didn’t remember it happening.

“Excellent time,” reads Kavanaugh’s email dated Sept. 10, 2001. “Apologies to all for missing Friday (good excuse), arriving late Saturday (weak excuse), and growing aggressive after blowing still another game of dice (don’t recall). Reminders to everyone to be very, very vigilant w/r/t confidentiality on all issues and all fronts, including with spouses.” (Emphasis added.)
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:No doubt. I think the Repubs, as much as they complain that some sort of precedent has now been set, really don't have much room to complain. Merrick Garland was a fantastic choice, honorable, in my opinion very much a centrist, and I thought could be trusted to be apolitical. He was the perfect choice for Supreme Court. He was basically the antithesis of an 'activist judge' and the R's just weren't going to have him because Obama.

Then again, if we want to go all the way back to Bork then we can point fingers at the Democrats. Whatever the case may be, as a nation, I think we're poorer for not having Garland on the bench.

- Doc


I certainly can't argue with you about that!
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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Chap wrote:I doubt very much that half the men in the country, let alone half the adults in the country, think it is a recommendation if someone gets into drunken fights in bars.


Who said it was a recommendation?

That was a weird projection.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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