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[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Is it possible for him to go to heaven?

Yes I think there's a way to Heaven for Trump.

I guess I have to ask. How does Donald Trump make it to heaven?

[ceeboo]

Yes I think there's a way to Heaven for Trump.

I guess I have to ask. How does Donald Trump make it to heaven?

The exact same way that every other broken sinner makes it.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I guess I have to ask. How does Donald Trump make it to heaven?

The exact same way that every other broken sinner makes it.

And how is that done?

[ceeboo]

The exact same way that every other broken sinner makes it.

And how is that done?

(For brevity, here are the essentials from my perspective.)

Salvation (returning to a right-standing relationship with our Creator) has been initiated or made available completely by God. Not by human merit/efforts.

Any of us can be saved by trusting in Jesus's finished work on the cross and His resurrection (Defeating sin/death - wages of sin = death)

Repentance (turning toward God) is a response - a response to His Grace that provides a way to be saved.

Good works are not the means of earning Salvation (none of us can earn this) - Rather, good works are byproducts and/or natural results of having been saved.

Salvation is a gift from our Creator/God, and this gift is available to any/all who choose to accept it.

[canpakes]

The exact same way that every other broken sinner makes it.

And how is that done?

Scam crypto payments.

[Jersey Girl]

And how is that done?

(For brevity, here are the essentials from my perspective.)

Salvation (returning to a right-standing relationship with our Creator) has been initiated or made available completely by God. Not by human merit/efforts.

Any of us can be saved by trusting in Jesus's finished work on the cross and His resurrection (Defeating sin/death - wages of sin = death)

Repentance (turning toward God) is a response - a response to His Grace that provides a way to be saved.

Good works are not the means of earning Salvation (none of us can earn this) - Rather, good works are byproducts and/or natural results of having been saved.

Salvation is a gift from our Creator/God, and this gift is available to any/all who choose to accept it.

I would add a couple of things to what ceeboo has stated above.

Where he says Repentance, I would include the presence or development of a contrite heart which is the heart change you often hear/read about when discussing Salvation or coming to Christ.

This isn't the "more" but I'd also add in John 3:16 which is commonly accepted as the foundation of Salvation. It fits with ceeboo's last comment.

What ceeboo presented fits with what some of us call The Roman Road or other variations of that same series of verses.

I want to post about the thief on the cross when I can get back on here.

I'm in agreement with ceeboo's above.

I can go ahead and do this now. I'm using the CSB. Still don't know if I like this since I prefer what I was raised on--KJV. Bolding here and there.

From Luke 23:39-43

Then one of the criminals hanging there began to yell insults at[a] him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”But the other answered, rebuking him: “Don’t you even fear God, since you are undergoing the same punishment? We are punished justly, because we’re getting back what we deserve for the things we did, but this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”And he said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

When he comes back at the first thief it seems to me that he's also humbling himself before God. He fears God.
(contrite heart)

He admits that he's comitted crimes and deserves the corresponding punishment.
(confession)

Notes that Jesus has comitted no crimes at all.
(He acknowledges the existence of God. Does he think God allowed this to happen or does he simply pin it on Rome? )

When he uses the phrase "your kingdom" he recognizes Jesus as God or at least Divine.
(He believes Jesus)

Scripture doesn't give us much dialogue on this but that's basically an outline for salvation.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ~ John 3:16 KJV

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I suppose I don’t understand how Trump could achieve this kind of thing. I think he’d be transactional with anything approaching faith. I understand I don’t know what’s in a man’s heart, but this really can’t be said of him. He shows us daily what’s in his heart.

Can the hope of avoiding Hell by confessing belief in Jesus Christ be enough for someone like him?

[canpakes]

Voof. He’s looking rough.

Is Donald Trump going to heaven?

Presumably a MagaMormon will do his Mormon proxy temple work after he’s dead, so I’d say there’s a chance…

Only baptismal fonts constructed out of solid gold will be appropriate for this work.

[Chap]

I suppose I don’t understand how Trump could achieve this kind of thing. I think he’d be transactional with anything approaching faith. I understand I don’t know what’s in a man’s heart, but this really can’t be said of him. He shows us daily what’s in his heart.

Can the hope of avoiding Hell by confessing belief in Jesus Christ be enough for someone like him?

In the prayer book of the Church of England there is a prayer addressed to the deity "unto whom all hearts are open and from whom no secrets are hid". I doubt whether a deity like that would feel that just making noises to form the words "I believe in Jesus Christ" would be sufficient if there was nothing in the heart of the speaking person that remotely corresponded to the words uttered.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I suppose I don’t understand how Trump could achieve this kind of thing. I think he’d be transactional with anything approaching faith. I understand I don’t know what’s in a man’s heart, but this really can’t be said of him. He shows us daily what’s in his heart.

Can the hope of avoiding Hell by confessing belief in Jesus Christ be enough for someone like him?

In the prayer book of the Church of England there is a prayer addressed to the deity "unto whom all hearts are open and from whom no secrets are hid". I doubt whether a deity like that would feel that just making noises to form the words "I believe in Jesus Christ" would be sufficient if there was nothing in the heart of the speaking person that remotely corresponded to the words uttered.

Ok. Say he actually believes Jesus Christ is a real God, and can really get him into heaven because he believes Jesus Christ does that sort of thing if one simply believes in Him and His ability to dismiss one’s sins. Trump literally kneels at his bedside and prays to Jesus Christ to absolve him of his many sins; this in fact allows him to go to heaven?