Biden vs. Trump

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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:11 am
it's true that the new management will end up having raised prices on the majority of goods sold in the store.
Let us assume your scenario is correct...isn't the point that new management is exclaiming that they will not raise prices? I mean your hypothetical conclusion is correct, but the issue raised is that why does the new management lie about the whole situation? and not just lies about how the situation is constructed but also lies for how they will solve the situation...
Under your hypothetical, it is more accurate that Biden (as new management) intends to introduce new deeply discounted goods while raising the prices on existing goods - while implementing a marketing strategy that prices will only be raised on a few consumers, yet he is actually raising prices for the majority of consumers, of which they will not learn of the price hike until they get to the cash register.

So, yeah, your reasoning leaves a lot on the table with regard to being sensible.
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For those of you that missed the first time Biden said this earlier in the race, he just did it again:
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Do you guys know whether Biden was wearing power armor when he took out that Navy Seal team? Trying to nail down the details for a crazy uncle-type tweet. Did he also have a Gauss rifle?
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If being the daughter of a polarizing mayor who became the president’s personal bulldog has taught me anything, it is that corruption starts with “yes-men” and women, the cronies who create an echo chamber of lies and subservience to maintain their proximity to power. We’ve seen this ad nauseam with Trump and his cadre of high-level sycophants (the ones who weren’t convicted, anyway). ~ Caroline Giuliani

Whole article: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/1 ... -for-biden
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Just a reminder, if Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which polling suggests he should win - that's game over for Trump.

Even if Biden loses his home state of Pennsylvania, a win in Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona would put him at 270.

This, even if Biden loses a half dozen other swing states he's currently leading in.
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Icarus wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Just a reminder, if Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which polling suggests he should win - that's game over for Trump.

Even if Biden loses his home state of Pennsylvania, a win in Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona would put him at 270.

This, even if Biden loses a half dozen other swing states he's currently leading in.
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subgenius wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:33 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:11 am
it's true that the new management will end up having raised prices on the majority of goods sold in the store.
Let us assume your scenario is correct...isn't the point that new management is exclaiming that they will not raise prices? I mean your hypothetical conclusion is correct, but the issue raised is that why does the new management lie about the whole situation? and not just lies about how the situation is constructed but also lies for how they will solve the situation...
Under your hypothetical, it is more accurate that Biden (as new management) intends to introduce new deeply discounted goods while raising the prices on existing goods - while implementing a marketing strategy that prices will only be raised on a few consumers, yet he is actually raising prices for the majority of consumers, of which they will not learn of the price hike until they get to the cash register.

So, yeah, your reasoning leaves a lot on the table with regard to being sensible.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ ... mean-taxes

Is Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden proposing to raise taxes on low- and middle-income households? He emphatically says no. President Trump and his allies say yes, just as emphatically.

So which is it? Well, both Biden and Trump are right, though Biden is more right than Trump. In the end, it depends on what taxes you are talking about.

If you are asking only about individual income and payroll taxes, Biden is right. Nearly all his proposed individual tax increases would be paid by households making $400,000 or more, and many of his proposed tax cuts would benefit low- and moderate-income households. Biden insists that he would not raise taxes on anyone making below this threshold.

TPC has not yet modeled recent revisions in Biden’s plan, but on average, low- and middle-income households are unlikely to pay more in individual income taxes and payroll taxes under his proposals than under current law. And some would pay less.

Who pays corporate income taxes?

But if you are asking about all his tax proposals, including corporate income tax increases, the story may be somewhat different. When TPC modeled Biden’s tax proposals in March (before he added about 20 new ideas) it found that low- and moderate-income households would on average see some decline in their after-tax incomes—not from individual taxes but from their share of corporate tax increases.

TPC estimated that in 2021 three-quarters of all Biden’s tax increases would be borne by the highest-income one percent of households (those making $837,000 or more). But after-tax incomes of low-income households would fall by about $30 on average, about 0.2 percent. Middle-income households would see an average decline of about $260, or 0.4 percent.

But those low- and middle-income households would not be writing bigger checks to the IRS. Rather, their incomes would be cut through lower wages or smaller returns to their investments.


In other words, prices will go up because of prior mismanagement and corps doing what corps do. But really, are you sweating an after tax income drop of +/-$22 a month? Or does it just make for good buzzfeed-like hair fire claims shoved down the gullet of the conservative news audience to have their livers harvested at election time by your new aristocracy? It's almost comical how conservatives like you bleep loudly about freedoms being taken by the oppressive government taking from you in the form of taxes while ignoring the fact you have anything remotely resembling freedom from the historic patterns of an elite wealthy few oppressing the impoverished majority because those taxes are largely put to use to pursue equality of opportunity. But birth is destiny to some yokels and they don't like the ideal behind our system of government instead corrupting it into some dumbfuckery that is modern conservativism as rigidly policed by the media moguls on your favorite television and/or radio programs.
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New Biden campaign ad. :-)

Joe Biden releases funny new ad closing down Trump wanting to leave America if he loses. "PROMISE'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VO2YevlzZo
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Poor Dr. Fauci. I’ll bet it’s really crowded under that bus.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:34 pm
Poor Dr. Fauci. I’ll bet it’s really crowded under that bus.

Hey don't worry about Dr. Fauci. If this new interview is any indication, I'm pretty sure Italian boy thinks Trump ain't nothing but a punk.

Fauci on his media restrictions, Trump contracting COVID, masks, voting and more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfG ... L&index=19
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