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[_ajax18]

I agree that legal emigration is the release valve that allows dysfunctional society to perpetuate irself. Well said MeDotOrg. The problem is that Kevin, EAllusion, Gunnar, and the Democrat patty don't recognize illegal immigration as a problem hence they've gotten their way by obstructing border enforcement for the past 60 years.

[_moksha]

Republicans will never back away from Trump, he represents their loftiest ideas and highest ethics.

[_Kevin Graham]

CFR

Pressure from base pushed a flustered Trump into shutdown reversal

President Donald Trump reversed his position on a possible government shutdown Thursday amid rising anger from his conservative base on several fronts.

As Trump obsessively monitored criticism from the right casting him as an inept negotiator being rolled by Congressional Democrats, he came to second-guess his earlier decision to sign a bill that would keep the government funded through Feb. 8. He has alternately seethed and panicked about the stream of invective he’s hearing from allies on television, lashing out at aides and flailing for a solution, according to three people close to the president — and even doing damage control with an angry Rush Limbaugh.

In recent days Trump has endured some of the harshest commentary of his presidency from typically staunch allies, who say that he is capitulating to Democratic opposition. The conservative commentator Ann Coulter said on Wednesday that Trump will have had a “joke presidency” if he doesn’t build his long-promised border wall. Filling in for Fox News’ Sean Hannity that night, the conservative commentator Dan Bongino said of the Trump base: “They want their wall and they want it now.”

Mark Meadows, the Trump ally who chairs the House Freedom Caucus and was a lead candidate for White House chief of staff, said Wednesday morning that the short-term funding bill the president is considering would be a “Christmas present” to his Democratic opponents. Meadows and his fellow House conservatives have come out against any spending bill that does not include billions of dollars for a border wall.

This president is a joke who lets uneducated people like Limbaugh decide which direction this country goes. He is a pathetic leader who refuses to stick to his own guns because he's scared to death about turning away people on the far Right. America didn't elect Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter, they elected a guy who bragged about his superior negotiation skills and ability to bring everyone together. Just more proof that he is a con artist and a disgrace and idiots like you fell for it and you still do.

[_ajax18]

The far right had always been Trump's guns. The far right is who elected DJT, not Brackite, paul Ryan or Mitt Romney, and he's being true to his promises.

[_Markk]

In one of the early James Bond novels, Ian Fleming created a rakish Texas oil millionaire who had the windshield of his Cadillac convertible ground to his eyeglasses prescription, so he could drive without wearing his glasses.

I find something of that casually expensive grand selfish gesture in Trump's wall. Trump sees the border as the problem and the wall as the solution. We see the problem at our border and we assume the problem is our border. The border isn't the problem. The border is the site of the problem. The problem is illegal immigration. And the problem of illegal immigration is a gigantic human problem. The fact that it is never talked about as such is worrisome.

Ask yourself: What would motivate you to pick up your family and join a caravan to cross another country in order to get to ours? What would cause you to abandon the country of your birth, and move to a cold climate where you're an outsider, with a different culture and language? People come to our borders with stories of being threatened by gangs. How do we know that the stories these people bring to our borders are true?

I would argue that at least some prima facie evidence exists in the very journey they took to get here. Again: what would cause you to abandon your home and march hundreds and hundreds of miles with your family? Illegal immigration is legal emigration. Massive emigration is the safety valve release that allows a dysfunctional society to perpetuate itself.

What is the solution? I'm not sure I know the answer. But not knowing the entire answer to a question does not mean that we should not ask the question.

The solution is "wanting" to fix it, and doing it...whether with a wall or increased presence...but until "everyone" wants it, it won't happen, and it is too late in many areas. Compare it to the sexual Me Too movement, sexual idiots always existed and were tolerated, but until people "wanted " to deal with it, nothing happened to stop it.

And one thing your missing, for the most part, is that they no longer.... " move to a cold climate where you're an outsider, with a different culture and language? " That is just no longer the case, not even close. Their language is spoken, it is written on all directions on products, bill boards, and English is the second language in many border and inland cites. Media and publications are in their language, and they are coming to family and friends already here. To over half the people in Los Angeles, Spanish is the primary language. Spanish is the spoken as the first language in restaurants, Home Depots, and just about any place you go in border cites.

The company I work for has to have a interpreter at safety meetings, and all handouts are given in Spanish and English...we even have bilingual "caution tape." We have over 150 Hispanic workers at any given time, and we have maybe 20 that are willing travel from the LA/OC areas to the San Diego areas do to the immigration check points at the county lines.

Illegal immigration is power for the left, without it the democratic party would die. And because of it the right is loosing power, and that is the base line for the problem that every decision is based on.

The prima facie evidence as to why they crossed a country to get here is that they can make 15 dollars and hour or more, and basically have free school, services, and medical...and be with a family and culture that is well established here. Most of these folks have a plan, jobs, and family/friends waiting for them.

[_EAllusion]

The far right had always been Trump's guns. The far right is who elected DJT, not Brackite, paul Ryan or Mitt Romney, and he's being true to his promises.

Like when Donald Trump promised universal health care or not touching Medicade? Those promises? Or when he promised to divest his business interests when President? Those promises? Or when he promised to reinstate Glass-Steagall and come down hard on Goldman-Sachs? Those promises?

Fortunately, because Trump always keeps his promises, I don't think we need to worry about federal funding of the Wall. I hear Trump promised another country would pay for it.

What % of voters do you think "the far right" constitutes?

[_Kevin Graham]

The far right had always been Trump's guns. The far right is who elected DJT, not Brackite, paul Ryan or Mitt Romney, and he's being true to his promises.

Being true to his promise???

He promised that Mexico, not the American taxpayer, would pay for the wall. Now he's saying the American taxpayer has to pay, and if he doesn't get his way he will shut down the government meaning tens of thousands of Americans go without getting paid, like 40,000 cost guard servicemen.

[_EAllusion]

I think Ajax actually understands "the wall" is ineffective as a means of preventing border crossings. He likely recognizes it as a giant symbol of xenophobia and wants the country to commit to a giant symbol of xenophobia because he takes that as a moral victory. And hey, when the wall proves ineffective, he can move on to arguing that the wall needs enforcers. After all, the Berlin Wall didn't stop anyone. It was the soldiers stationed there shooting people that tried to cross it that stopped them.

[_EAllusion]

I do think part of Trump's appeal was his willingness to split with Republican orthodoxy on trade and entitlements. The Republican primary electorate is much more working class and poorly educated than it used to be, and protectionism and social entitlements has always had a lot of cache' with that crowd. This is really underrated as a major reason why he eeked out a split primary. This probably carried over to an extent in the general election. That the press choose to cover trade as one of the a handful of policy issues that it touched at all during the election advantaged Trump as Clinton is a moderate free-trader who was perceived as backpedaling to follow the political winds.

Trump has been protectionist as advertised, but he also completely reversed course on his positions on social entitlements and health care access.

Now that Trump has governed as someone who is as hostile to entitlements as they come in a complete 180 of his campaign stance, I wonder if this will have any kind of effect on his next election. Trump's low points of approval were always when the press attention was focused on Republican efforts to reduce health care access or touch entitlements. With Democrats having Congress, it's doubtful that there will be another moment where the press is so focused on that, but you know Democrats are going to try to campaign with some focus on that.

[_Themis]

The problem is that Kevin, EAllusion, Gunnar, and the Democrat patty don't recognize illegal immigration as a problem hence they've gotten their way by obstructing border enforcement for the past 60 years.

They do recognize it as a problem and I know you know that is what they say, but the problem is you are so dishonest you think everyone else is as well. Even without your storm-front posts people saw you were not being honest for your real reasons and I think you view the rest of the world as being just as dishonest as you are.