TRAGEDY! Ruth Bader Ginsburg Died!

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I notice you don't complain about republicans when Obama nominated someone 8 months before and election and they would not allow a vote so that a republican might win the presidency. Can you show you criticized republicans on this issue? I'm 99.99999% sure you didn't.
This was a different situation. The Democrats did not control the Senate during Obama's last term. If the opposing party controls the senate, they have no obligation to bring the nominee to the floor for a vote. They also could simply vote not to confirm. The Democrats have been playing dirty far longer than the Republicans on nominating and confirming supreme court judges. They've already threatened to stack the court with justices willing to vote along with the hard left party line. They've been doing it since FDR. The fact that they already made these threats before is partly why we're going to go through with nominating and hopefully confirming another conservative justice. Conservative justices historically don't vote along the party line as much as liberal justices anyway.

We're headed for a constitutional crisis not because of Trump nominating and the Republican Senate confirming a supreme court justice but because of the ways in which the Democrats plan to take revenge. You can call me a fascist if you want. If we get to separate and split the country between liberal and conservative, it's well worth it to me.
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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 pm
I notice you don't complain about republicans when Obama nominated someone 8 months before and election and they would not allow a vote so that a republican might win the presidency. Can you show you criticized republicans on this issue? I'm 99.99999% sure you didn't.
This was a different situation. The Democrats did not control the Senate during Obama's last term. If the opposing party controls the senate, they have no obligation to bring the nominee to the floor for a vote. They also could simply vote not to confirm. The Democrats have been playing dirty far longer than the Republicans on nominating and confirming supreme court judges. They've already threatened to stack the court with justices willing to vote along with the hard left party line. They've been doing it since FDR. The fact that they already made these threats before is partly why we're going to go through with nominating and hopefully confirming another conservative justice. Conservative justices historically don't vote along the party line as much as liberal justices anyway.

We're headed for a constitutional crisis not because of Trump nominating and the Republican Senate confirming a supreme court justice but because of the ways in which the Democrats plan to take revenge. You can call me a fascist if you want. If we get to separate and split the country between liberal and conservative, it's well worth it to me.
LOL Must be nice living in fantasy land. One of the things I see from from extremists like you is everything you view as your side can do no wrong and everything from the other side can do no right. With enough of you democracy will fall, but don't complain when you lose your freedoms. It's one of the reasons I think the far right dismisses anthropogenic climate change. The left accepts it so it must be wrong.

I would add that it was the republicans who argued it was wrong to nominate a justice in an election year, yet now they do a 180. They and you are hypocrites.
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I bring this up every time a Supreme Court Justice dies:

A Constitutional Amendment that would limit Supreme Court terms to 18 years. The idea is that every 2 years there is a turnover. Such a system would make nominations less of a do-or-die affair. Justices would not be staying on the court just to survive until the next election. There would be less of a temptation to nominate younger justices. It would also limit undue influence a single President would have over the future of the court.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:25 am
I bring this up every time a Supreme Court Justice dies:

A Constitutional Amendment that would limit Supreme Court terms to 18 years. The idea is that every 2 years there is a turnover. Such a system would make nominations less of a do-or-die affair. Justices would not be staying on the court just to survive until the next election. There would be less of a temptation to nominate younger justices. It would also limit undue influence a single President would have over the future of the court.
seems whimsical and counter to the slow long game that should be Supreme Court.
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subgenius wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:48 am
MeDotOrg wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:25 am
I bring this up every time a Supreme Court Justice dies:

A Constitutional Amendment that would limit Supreme Court terms to 18 years. The idea is that every 2 years there is a turnover. Such a system would make nominations less of a do-or-die affair. Justices would not be staying on the court just to survive until the next election. There would be less of a temptation to nominate younger justices. It would also limit undue influence a single President would have over the future of the court.
seems whimsical and counter to the slow long game that should be Supreme Court.
I wouldn't categorize an 18-year term as 'whimsical' or antithetical to the 'long game' of the court. What is the practical difference between serving 18 years or 30 years?
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Treating the Supreme Court as a "game" is a significant part of the problem.
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It is blazingly obvious by now that the main reason Trump and McConnell are so determined to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg before the election is that they hope to have a majority in the Supreme Court that is guaranteed to rule in Trump's favor, should he contest the results of the election, if Biden wins. Trump has now openly declared that he will not agree to step down, even if Biden wins decisively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUQ56Tf22pg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovcAUYY8wlc

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I have little doubt that the most compelling reason he doesn't want to leave office is the surety that he will be indicted and prosecuted for the tax and bank frauds currently being being investigated in New York State, once he leaves. It is not just because his narcissistic ego prevents him from admitting defeat, though that probably figures strongly into it too.

I fear that there not enough Republicans, or even Justices left with both the integrity and the backbone to stand up to this tyrannical maniac! I would hope that any competent lawyers or justices who managed to rise to being prominent enough to be seriously considered for nomination to the Supreme Court would be well informed enough to realize that Trump's claims of widespread fraud in mail-in voting are simply not supported by the available objective evidence, but will they let the evidence override their partisan preferences? If not, they are unqualified for any high judicial office.
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It is scary that Trump doesn't have the wit to even pretend that he will abide by the vote of the American electorate, if it goes against him. Even dictators like Kim Jong Un are smart enough to at least pretend to abide by the vote of the people.
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NY applies more pressure on Trump...

Judge Orders Eric Trump to Testify in N.Y. Fraud Inquiry

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/nyre ... ction.html
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I guess the main reason I think Trump supporters are so glaringly stupid is that they don't see what 's obvious. Christ, they are so fu-cking stupid. If you see anything positive about Trump, you must be moronic.

Yeah... fu-cking stupid. America has a thing for producing idiot citizens.
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