Ignorant Fecal Sack DJT

[Everybody Wang Chung]

And still the overwhelming majority of Mormons will vote for him.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[Dr. Shades]

I seriously doubt he dumped Trump.

Dr. Shades, have you heard of Google? You should perhaps try it out before embarrassing yourself with such totally uninformed ignorant stupid remarks. https://www.google.com/search?q=Dick+Ch ... s-wiz-serp

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[Moksha]

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump threatened to prosecute his political enemies “to the fullest extent of the law” should he win the 2024 presidential election and signaled once again that he would not accept defeat come November.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 70468ce07e

[ajax18]

If it bombs, everyone can see whose fault it was.

No, voters still wouldn't be able to see whose fault it was. Look at the US economy after 2 years of complete Democrat control and 2 more years of Democrats owning 2/3 branches of government. 28% of voters see the current Vice President as the candidate of positive change. But what is she changing from and why doesn't her party do it now while it's in power? Well, you're not allowed to ask. And most don't even want to know even if they were permitted to ask.

In spite of horrific economic suffering of the 90s in the former USSR and seeing the poorest of the capitalist pigs in the west fairing much better than they were, do you think people who had been indoctrinated in the virtue of communism changed their minds and their political views given the horror of their current situation? Oh they fled the country in search of a better life (ironically to lie with the capitalist pigs in the west who they despised) but they generally took their failed political ideology with them. Why? It's the same reason US voters who just like me pay 3 times as much for a steak, have 5% higher interest rates, and whose kids will never be able to afford to buy their own home, buy the argument that this didn't come from massive scamdemic deficit spending and money printing, but rather because in a terrible twist of fate corporations decided to get greedy right at the same time these COVID stimulus bills went into effect. You see a sudden coincidental hike in corporate greed caused the inflation, not unprecedented stimulus spending coupled with coerced unemployment through partial lockdowns. So it only makes sense to them to keep doing what we're doing right now and expect a different result.

Secondly when the party in power can censor speech that is true but inconvenient to the party in power, good luck trying to persuade people to try something different when the current system isn't working for most of them. Democracy has no hope of working in this way without freedom of speech.

[Physics Guy]

Governments can't really control things as much as they promise to do. Things they can't control affect their countries. So it usually takes more than two or even four years to judge how good a job a government has done.

In several countries I know the usual pattern is for one party or coalition to hold almost unlimited power for a decade or so, by winning two or three elections in a row, as long as voters still remember how bad their predecessors were. Then at that point whatever the government did that worked well is usually taken for granted, while the things they're still doing wrong have become more annoying, and voters throw the bums out. The sins of their predecessors of more than ten years before have been forgotten by now, and anyway those previous bums have rebranded themselves while in opposition, so they get to try to fix everything as they promise they will.

It's not so different in effect from choosing a new dictator every twelve years. It's not the American way, but it's how most democracies have been working for the past century or so.

If inflation was caused by greedy corporations hiking prices, should the government be preventing private companies from doing that? That sounds kind of like ... Communism. I thought the solution to excessive profits was competition offering lower prices, by accepting lower profits per sale in order to win on market share. If the problem is that oligopolies stifle competition, then should the government be breaking up corporations? That also sounds kind of like Communism. I guess I'm just confused about the argument that anything related to Communism has to be bad, but yet the government should have prevented inflation. I mean, which is it, here? Are governments supposed to control the economy or not?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

… when the party in power can censor speech that is true but inconvenient to the party in power, good luck trying to persuade people to try something different when the current system isn't working for most of them. Democracy has no hope of working in this way without freedom of speech.

This is the free speech that resonates with Ajax:



- Doc

[ajax18]

In several countries I know the usual pattern is for one party or coalition to hold almost unlimited power for a decade or so, by winning two or three elections in a row, as long as voters still remember how bad their predecessors were. Then at that point whatever the government did that worked well is usually taken for granted, while the things they're still doing wrong have become more annoying, and voters throw the bums out. The sins of their predecessors of more than ten years before have been forgotten by now, and anyway those previous bums have rebranded themselves while in opposition, so they get to try to fix everything as they promise they will.

It's not so different in effect from choosing a new dictator every twelve years. It's not the American way, but it's how most democracies have been working for the past century or so.

Which democratic socialist countries in Europe are you thinking of? When was the last time a conservative party held power in Sweeden, Norway, Denmark? When did Le Pen's party ever hold power in France? How long did the socialists rule Argentina and how bad did it have to get before they elected Milei? It seems like this pinko communism has been in control lot longer than 12 years. And even when conservatives get elected in the United States, you never actually get rid of medicare, social security, medicaid, and other costly social welfare state programs. You might get a tax cut or two but these programs continue to be borrowed against the credit of the taxpayer ad infinitum to pay the bill for. They aren't just discontinued every twelve years. In fact we've never succeeded in getting rid of a single welfare program that no longer makes sense. You can grow the size of government or you can vote to slow the rate of it's growth but you'll never stop the growth of government much less get rid of it.

The left wing is cracking down on free speech in Brazil by banning X in a way very similar to communists.

If inflation was caused by greedy corporations hiking prices, should the government be preventing private companies from doing that?

It's not caused by that. Companies were just as greedy when Trump was president as they are now. Human nature didn't change that much after just one election. It was caused COVID stimulus spending that continued long after it was very clear that people should be back at work.

That sounds kind of like ... Communism

It sounds that way because it is communism. It's central command economics and it's proven not to work. But as Kamala Harris is proving you can still get elected if you believe in debunked leftwing economics as long as you refuse to tell voters where you stand on the issue before the election happens.

I thought the solution to excessive profits was competition offering lower prices, by accepting lower profits per sale in order to win on market share.

It is.

If the problem is that oligopolies stifle competition, then should the government be breaking up corporations?

They'll never do that. Most of these oligopolies are the campaign money behind the Democrat political machine. It's why Democrats always promise to tax the rich but never do. When someone like Harris, Obama, Biden, or Bernie Sanders threatens to redistribute the wealth of people like Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, etc. they know this is just their friends telling the masses what they have to say to get elected. Just as Bernie knows that Kamala hasn't really softened her hard left communist positions. In his own words, she's just being pragmatic, and refusing to disclose to the voters what she really believes and plans to do once she is elected. This is what disinformation really is. It's when the media glosses over these facts, refuses to demand real answers from politicians that would let the voters know what they're actually voting for.

That also sounds kind of like Communism. I guess I'm just confused about the argument that anything related to Communism has to be bad, but yet the government should have prevented inflation. I mean, which is it, here? Are governments supposed to control the economy or not?

Government should never have caused inflation in the first place by arresting people who went to work and threatening them with murder charges for breathing. This violation of civil rights was very much like Russian and Chinese communism and yes Western European Democratic socialism.

[Doctor Steuss]

It's not so different in effect from choosing a new dictator every twelve years. It's not the American way[...]

Speaking of, the official Trump/Vance campaign store has a T-shirt with Trump wearing a crown. Because, America loves that sort of thing... or something.

King Trump T-Shirt

You can also buy "Never Surrender" stuff... with a picture of Trump literally surrendering himself to law enforcement, because MAGA generally has the cognitive bandwidth of a potato clock.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

It's not so different in effect from choosing a new dictator every twelve years. It's not the American way[...]

Speaking of, the official Trump/Vance campaign store has a T-shirt with Trump wearing a crown. Because, America loves that sort of thing... or something.

King Trump T-Shirt

You can also buy "Never Surrender" stuff... with a picture of Trump literally surrendering himself to law enforcement, because MAGA generally has the cognitive bandwidth of a potato clock.

And this is the man that President Russell M. Nelson, earth's spokesperson and representative for Jesus Christ, will be voting for.