Did this really just happen?

[Guest]

Lil Wayne’s life was saved by a White cop. I also just saw a video of a White cop saving a suicidal Black man’s life. So. Does this count for anything or are we just supposed to accept the narrative that ACAB, and the BLM’s Marxist leadership’s assertion that the White patriarchal capitalist system needs to be torn down and replaced with, I dunno, a socialist system ran by elitists who’ll ensure their system totes works this time?

- Doc

This logic is along the same lines as, "Johnny Q was really cool on that date he went on last week with Amy. He opened the door for her. Bought her dinner. Didn't even come close to raping her. Does that count towards anything or are we going to keep pretending rape is a problem?"

It is posts like these that make me wonder if you're trolling. I mean constantly referencing BLM as Marxist just makes you sound like an idiot who is stuck in Right Wing propaganda. https://www.newtownbee.com/07202020/bla ... t-marxist/

"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.

Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."

[_Icarus]

The UK Daily Mail has published leaked footage of the Memorial Day encounter between George Floyd and the four Minneapolis, Minnesota, police offers who were implicated in his death, triggering nationwide unrest and controversy.

The footage, apparently filmed while the body cam footage was being shown in court, appears on the Daily Mail website and includes over eight minutes of the fatal encounter which have not previously been seen or scrutinized by the public.

Some new details emerge in the video. At the start of the encounter, police aim a weapon at Floyd, 46, as he sits behind the steering wheel of a parked car. (The Daily Mail describes officers as aiming at his head, though the angle is not clear.)

Floyd is handcuffed without a particular reason being given, and two people traveling with him are questioned. One tells officers that Floyd was mentally or emotionally disturbed by having a gun aimed at him, having previously been shot.

After being led to a police car, Floyd resists sitting in the car, telling officers that he is claustrophobic. He also says the fateful words, “I can’t breathe,” before he is on the ground and before anyone is seen applying pressure to his neck.

An autopsy showed “signs of fentanyl, methamphetamine and THC — the ingredient that produces marijuana’s high — in Floyd’s body,” the Associated Press reported in June, though doctors stressed they could not draw further conclusions.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/08 ... er-leaked/

Reason #3,498 why Brietbart is not trustworthy and is geared to triggering racist pricks around the country. This is what Brietbart doesn't say, while focusing on Floyd having drugs in his system as if that somehow justifies his murder. Only a piece of crap rag like Brietbart would allude to this video and think it is a win for Right Wing racists.

Leaked footage shows George Floyd begging police not to shoot him minutes before his death by police officers in Minneapolis on May 25.

“OK, Mr. Officer, please don’t shoot me. Please, man,” Floyd said when officers approached as he sat in his car. One officer had a gun drawn and aimed at Floyd’s head.

“I just lost my mom, man,” Floyd said in the footage first obtained by The Daily Mail. “Please don’t shoot me, Mr. Officer, please.”

Floyd also apologized throughout the video as the cops cursed at him.

“Put your damned hand up there,” one officer ordered. “Jesus Christ, keep your damned hands on the wheel.”

When the police attempted to put Floyd in the back of a police vehicle, he warned them that he was claustrophobic. Floyd was eventually forced to the ground. Then-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin shoved a knee into his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds as Floyd cried out: “I can’t breathe.”

Bystanders urged other police officers at the scene to intervene, but they refused.

Floyd was pronounced dead a short time later, kicking off protests and unrest around the nation that continue to this day. Chauvin and three other officers were fired and all are facing criminal charges.

[_Icarus]

Cops Terrorize Black Family but Blame License Plate Reader for Misidentifying 'Stolen' Car

The Aurora Police Department in Colorado is blaming its license plate reader for misidentifying a “stolen” vehicle after video went viral showing a Black family with young children being menaced and traumatized by several cops. It’s just the latest example of police terror that likely wouldn’t have drawn much attention if a bystander hadn’t recorded video.

The video, which was published to Twitter and is incredibly distressing to watch, shows four children between the ages of 6 and 17 facedown on the hot pavement, some of them in handcuffs. A woman who just happened to be in the parking lot at the time, Jennifer Wurtz, started recording the encounter on her phone.

“The next thing I know, the police pull up silently behind them and had guns drawn on the children,” Wurtz told local NBC TV affiliate 9News.

The child on the far left is just six years old, with a 14-year-old girl to the right of her, a 17-year-old after that, and a 12-year-old on the far right. The 12-year-old was handcuffed but the 6-year-old girl was not, at least by the time Wurtz had started filming. The children can be heard on the video wailing and crying, wondering what’s happening to them. At least one of the children screams, “I want my mommy.”

The cops can be heard on the video telling onlookers to step back, a common police tactic that was also deployed when a white police officer killed George Floyd by pushing his knee against Floyd’s neck until he was dead, while horrified onlookers begged him to stop.

The Aurora police claim the license plate of the family’s minivan matched the license plate of a motorcycle from Montana that had been reported as stolen, according to 9News. Gizmodo could not independently verify that claim and Aurora PD did not respond to a request for comment early Tuesday morning.

“I totally understand that anger, and don’t want to diminish that anger, but I will say it wasn’t a profiling incident. It was a hit that came through the system, and they have a picture of the vehicle the officers saw,” Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson told ABC7.

But that explanation doesn’t make any sense, given the fact that the stolen vehicle was a motorcycle and the family was driving a minivan. If police saw a “picture of the vehicle” through their license plate reader software, it should have shown a motorcycle. And at the very least, common sense should’ve taken over.

The adult driver of the car, Brittney Gilliam, was reportedly taking her kids and nieces to get their nails done when police approached with their guns drawn. Gilliam had her car stolen back in February but it was reportedly recovered the next day, another element that may have led to incompetent policing in this case.

The cops issued a written apology online, but their letter included a lengthy portion that tried to justify pulling weapons on kids.

“We have been training our officers that when they contact a suspected stolen car, they should do what is a called a high-risk stop,” the statement said. “But we must allow our officers to have discretion and to deviate from this process when different scenarios present themselves. I have already directed my team to look at new practices and training.”

The police department has offered to pay for any therapy sessions the children may need from the trauma of their encounter with so many cops, which eventually included over a dozen officers, according to local news reports.

Aurora PD have had numerous incidents of extreme behavior in recent months. In one incident from March, a cop pulled his gun on a man of color who was driving into his own parking garage at a medical clinic.

Aurora police also killed Elijah McClain, a 23-year-old Black man, last summer because someone had reported that a man who “looked sketchy” was in the area, according to the New York Times. Cops restricted the blood to McClain’s brain in an effort to make him unconscious during the arrest, and they injected him with the drug ketamine. McClain went into cardiac arrest and died but the coroner didn’t rule it homicide, leading to protests. Those peaceful protests, including one last month, have been violently put down by Aurora Police dressed in full riot gear.

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This would never in a million years happen to my family or any middle-class white family because, well, we know why.

White privilege.

It is truly stunning that something like this is still happening during our current social climate of racial injustice.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Icarus,

Is there a reason why you chose to link a letter to the editor in the ‘Newton Bee’ by someone called Stephen Zakur? Are you denying that the BLM leadership, the national leadership, isn’t actually composed of Marxist, uh, sympathizers?

From Politifact: “We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks.”

“We didn’t find that Garza and Tometi have referred to themselves as Marxists. But the book publisher Penguin Random House has said Garza, an author, "describes herself as a queer social justice activist and Marxist."

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."“

Additionally the organization has received material support from far-Left groups, individuals, and leadership. This is fairly well-known. What I find disappointing with your penchant to quickly Google a counterpoint is that it’s really no different than what Ajax and subgenius does with their far-Right worship. They simply just say something and that act in of itself is good enough, whether or not it’s factual. Your inability to moderate your fiery devotion to Leftist causes is deeply concerning if that’s a reflection of the broader values of the Democratic party and Liberal America. Simply mashing out a quick Google query to find some guy who shared some opinion in some online newspaper is about as subgenius as one can get.

Additionally, what is it with Leftists that they hate being outed as Leftists? Simply telling the truth about them and their behavior is akin to flicking on a light and seeing a bunch of cockroaches scurrying for cover. Just because BLM has some laudable aims that we all can get behind doesn’t mean it, its leaderships, or its loose confederation of activists are some sacred cow beyond criticism when their acts or ideology cross the line. Icarus’ rape analogy above (Jesus Christ, by the way) can easily be applied to the people pushing the clear and obvious Marxist demands through this organization, ie, in that while we’re glad today we’re pushing for changes within law enforcement, just be glad the socialists haven’t attacked anyone or burned or looted a business... this time.

Can you imagine if, say, the Young Republicans were outed as having received training as National Socialists, and they overtly agitated for an ethnostate like Ajax does? They’d rightly be excoriated and shunned. Why are Left-leaning Democrats so cozy and nonplussed by Marxism? It’s a brutal, regressive, anti-freedom ideology that absolutely crushes the human spirit, requires repression and violence to ‘succeed’, and is anathema to what we know actually works broadly for our human nature.

Anyway. Head in the sand, folks. Our lyin’ eyes and ears are to be ignored.

- Doc

[_Icarus]

Roughly 63% of the country backs BLM. It would be dumb to say there aren't any Marxists among that group of 200+ million, but it is nothing more than a dishonest right Wing talking point to minimize BLM and all that it stands for, to Marxism. It is the oldest trick in the Right Wing playbook, all the way back since they accused everyone they hated, including MLK, as being a Communist. As long as you can attach a stigmatizing word like that to the group, then you know people will just dismiss them out of hand without ever really getting to know what they're about, why they were formed, and what they hope to accomplish. You become part of the problem by attaching the word Marxist to everything you say with respect to BLM, but I think you know this.

From Politifact:

"Black Lives Matters has grown into a national anti-racism movement broadly supported by Americans, few of whom would identify themselves as Marxist...These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal."

"On one level, these are just put downs," University of Massachusetts Amherst economics professor Richard Wolff, author of "Understanding Marxism," told PolitiFact about the attacks on Black Lives Matter.

If people declare themselves Marxists, they are in effect Marxists, but "there really is no standard" of what Marxism is, "there’s no way to verify anything."

..."I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.

The fact that one of the co-founders identified as Marxist is irrelevant to what BLM is today. And it ignores entirely why black people would appeal to Marxism to begin with. My feeling on it is that they've been subjected to so much racism for so long, feeling completely abandoned by the government system that has been in place for centuries, that some of them feel Marxism is their only hope for a truly egalitarian society. Makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Attaching "Marxist" to every mention of BLM is the same tactic the Right Wing uses when mentioning China nowadays. Since they need to demonize China and make them a distraction from Trump's incompetence, you always hear them refer to China as "The Communist Chinese Government." As if we didn't already know they're communist.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Susan Rosenberg has been very instrumental in coordinating and acting as a donor front for BLM through the Thousand Currents foundation, which is openly Marxist. I don't know what to say to you. You're clearly as comfortable with Marxist movements and their activities as Ajax is with national socialism. I mean, that's your prerogative and I get why the social activism appeals to a Democrat, in addition to moving the economics more in line with European approaches to the economy and social welfare. I'd just ask you keep your eyes as wide open toward your allies as you do toward your enemies. It doesn't take much for the former to become the latter, as history has demonstrated.

- Doc

[_Chap]

I confess that I find the stateside usage of the term 'Marxist', both by those who adopt it willingly and those who use it as a dismissive epithet, somewhat puzzling. It seems to have two ranges of application:

1. To anyone who actively promotes a program of social, educational and tax reforms that in Europe would be seen as historically associated with Social Democrat parties, many of which have formed governments that have been characterised as centrist.

2. To pretty well anybody that the speaker thinks of as too left-wing for their taste, and wishes to characterise as really far out and weird. As someone has already pointed out, it seems to fill the role previously filled by 'communist'.

It does not seem to matter whether the person to whom the term 'Marxist' is applied has actually studied any of the classical texts of Marxism either directly indirectly, or could give any accurate or coherent account of its core tenets. By the way, I view Marxism is a very interesting 19th century attempt at a scientific analysis of what one might call the 'laws of motion of history'. However in my view it fails badly in that project, although it was a worthy attempt at making sense of a newly industrialised and post-Enlightenment world, and not everybody who based their politics on it did more harm than good.

[Guest]

Listen to their screams. If watching this video isn't enough to make your blood boil, then you're a damned sociopath. This is a black family minding their own business. They were assumed to be driving a stolen car because their license plate was ALMOST the same as that of a stolen "MOTORCYCLE." How the “F” do you confuse a car with a motorcycle? Instead of assuming it was a mistake given the fact that children were involved, instead of calling to double check the ID of the stolen plate, these four white cops proceeded to treat these people like dangerous criminals. They were treated in an inhuman way that no white family could ever be treated. Watch this video as four children between the ages of 6 and 14 were forced to lay flat on hot asphalt, face down with hands cuffed behind their backs in 90+ degree heat. Listen to their screams of terror as these white cops, including two heartless women, hover over them. They're screaming for their mommy, confused as can be about what is happening, guaranteed to be psychologically traumatized for life. Rest assured, I will never have to worry about this happening to anyone in my family because we're all white. This is why black people fear cops and it is something white people will NEVER understand. While I can never understand the fear they live with, I can tell you that if I came across cops treating my three kids (7, 13 and 16) in this way I truly believe I'd be spending the night in jail for assaulting cops. #Listentotheirscreams. #defundthepolice

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[_Chap]

Listen to their screams. If watching this video isn't enough to make your blood boil, then you're a ____ sociopath.

Well, maybe you are taking it out of context? Or maybe the family were a bunch of snowflakes who hate America? Or crisis actors? Or something?

Rest assured, I will never have to worry about this happening to anyone in my family because we're all white.

Yeah, well, if your family had decided to drive around town being black, you could have got exactly the same treatment. The police treat everybody the same.

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[_ajax18]

Rest assured, I will never have to worry about this happening to anyone in my family because we're all white.

No you all are not white.

I truly believe I'd be spending the night in jail for assaulting cops.

If you assaulted the police, you better get more than a night in jail. They'll hit you where it hurts the most, right in your fat pocketbook.