Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinians

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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:
EAllusion wrote:George Gilder is wrong about pretty much anything he has ever commented on, by the way.


Fantastic admittance, unwitting or no, that your knowledge of free market economics and, more broadly speaking, praxeology - the theory and study of human action - is to the negative power.


Praxeology is as relevant to economics as psychoanalysis is to psychology. It has no status in mainstream study, and with good cause. I happen to know a little about praxeology, because of the desire to navigate the libertarian circles I roll in. Given that you've butchered even using the term correctly on this board, I'm guessing that suffices to surpass you on this point. Disagreeing with Gilder's collective output - probably most famous for his crazed antifeminism, iffy tech prophecies, and co-founding of the Intelligent Design movement - does not make one ignorant of economics. Most economists wouldn't agree with Gilder on virtually anything just the same as me, and it strains creduilty to buy your implied assertion that most economists don't understand markets. But you, armed with cursory reading of far right websites, do.
You've opened yourself up to a CFR on this one, so jump to it, Delusion.


Nope. If you've done the "deep reading" on Gilder you recommend others do, you would already know what I'm referring to. Since you are CFR'ing, I'm just going to interpret that as you not having actually read what you are demanding others do in your purple bluster. That's in keeping with your character, and kinda awesome.

Oh the politically correct humanity! Its neither.


Glad to see that you don't think men being inherently superior in the workforce and wanting to encourage policy that keeps women in the kitchen is sexist or bad economics.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Obama's policy has been very Isreal friendly. He has been repeatedly praised by Israeli statesmen for it.


Look at this. Now, even the smug, snarky, intellectual Brahmin himself has sunk to outright prevarication for the cause.

You disappoint me, Delusion. I thought you were actually above free falling deception and myth-making.

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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Praxeology is as relevant to economics as psychoanalysis is to psychology.


As I've long said, you are far too undereducated, too well indoctrinated, and far too overconfident in your own intellectual ability to engage in extended serious debate. This is why other people, such as Daniel Peterson, simply gave up discoursing with you a number of years ago.

It has no status in mainstream study, and with good cause.


Which means utterly nothing whatsoever. Look at what does have high status in contemporary academia: multiculturalism, woman's studies, queer theory, ethnic studies, peace studies, post-colonial studies, Africanology, Afrocentrism, American studies, postmodernism etc. Arguments from authority have always been logically irrelevant, and they become more so by the hour, under present cultural circumstances. Indeed, a number of the best minds of the 20th century would consider you a philistine dolt for not taking Austrian theory seriously.

I happen to know a little about praxeology, because of the desire to navigate the libertarian circles I roll in. Given that you've butchered even using the term correctly on this board, I'm guessing that suffices to surpass you on this point. Disagreeing with Gilder's collective output - probably most famous for his crazed antifeminism, iffy tech prophecies, and co-founding of the Intelligent Design movement - does not make one ignorant of economics. Most economists wouldn't agree with Gilder on virtually anything just the same as me, and it strains creduilty to buy your implied assertion that most economists don't understand markets. But you, armed with cursory reading of far right websites, do.


You're talking like Graham now. Its obviously pointless discussing anything with you at this point, as most of what you provide is not serious, critical argument and counterpoint, but ad hominem snark and endless argumentum ad populum retreats from serious discussion.

I don't really believe for one minute you have any substantive understanding of Austrian monetary, price, or business cycle theory. At least, I've never seen any indication of it here.

You've opened yourself up to a CFR on this one, so jump to it, Delusion.


Nope. If you've done the "deep reading" on Gilder you recommend others do, you would already know what I'm referring to. Since you are CFR'ing, I'm just going to interpret that as you not having actually read what you are demanding others do in your purple bluster. That's in keeping with your character, and kinda awesome.


That's right, run away when confronted. That's the style here. You don't want to debate the issues you've raised because you know that you don't really have anything in your arsenal but standard PC tropes and slogans that will wither like fragile flowers once under the the heat of critical analysis.

And the MDB beat goes on...
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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As Romney left the site of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Warsaw and walked toward his motorcade parked in Pilsudski Square, reporters began shouting questions from the line where campaign staffers had told them to stay behind, prompting traveling press secretary Rick Gorka to tell a group of reporters to "kiss my a**" and "shove it."
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:And the MDB beat goes on...


More vapid nonsense from MDB's village idiot.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Kishkumen wrote:
Droopy wrote:And the MDB beat goes on...


More vapid nonsense from MDB's village idiot.


But he has successfully done his job by dragging the thread away from discussing Romneys incompetence abroad...
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Drifting wrote:But he has successfully done his job by dragging the thread away from discussing Romneys incompetence abroad...


I suppose, but what more can be said really? It is clear that Romney's ineptitude in dealing with sensitive foreign interactions is indefensible.

Romney simply sucks at it. In my view, this is just another reason not to vote for the guy. It's not like he hasn't had plenty of time to practice getting stuff like this right.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:
Let me help you out. Imagine what would have happened had candidate Obama traveled to Salt Lake City during the 2008 campaign and stated, in public, that he admired of LDS culture in spite of the fact that the Church was founded by an individual who was later documented by both Church and public records to be an adulterer, liar, drunk, polygamist and fraud and who engaged in polyandry and pedophilia.


You're the new Walter Duranty of Mormondiscussions.com. The one charge here that is not long debunked anti-Mormon mythology is polygamy. The rest is mythic begotry that was, for the most part, put to rest when E.D. Howe was still alive.

Nice attempt at tabloid slander of that which you don't understand and of which you clearly have done very little serious homework.

Have a nice day trapped in your inner thought world.


The point is, a President or Presidential candidate has to act presidential. Many non-mormons have a negative opinion of Mormon culture, but the point is a Presidential candidate should not offend that culture. You and I actually agree on a lot of things when it comes to Israel and their arab neighbors. But if either of us run for president, we have to embrace the US policy toward that conflict. The US wants Israel and the Palestinians to ultimately negotiate a peace agreement. Therefore, although Israel is our ally, we try to present ourselves as a neutral broker.

American credibility and influence in that arena depend on “us being seen as an honest broker,” said Colin Kahl, an Obama campaign foreign policy adviser who served as the top Middle East policy official in the Pentagon from 2009 to 2011. “But in this case, Romney fell off the tightrope pretty dramatically.”

“It was a really strange comment,” Mr. Kahl added, noting that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict encompasses “extraordinarily complicated and delicate issues and is not something you can just wing it on and expect not to make some mistakes, and Governor Romney made a big one.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/romney-comments-on-palestinians-draw-criticism/


Not even Romney believes what he said. He is back peddling as fast as he can today:
Mitt Romney on Tuesday attempted to clarify his remarks, telling Fox News in an interview that he had not talked about "the Palestinian culture or the decisions made in their economy."

"I'm not speaking about it, did not speak about the Palestinian culture," Romney told Fox's Carl Cameron

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57483302-503544/romney-i-did-not-speak-about-palestinian-culture/
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DarkHelmet wrote:Not even Romney believes what he said. He is back peddling as fast as he can today:
Mitt Romney on Tuesday attempted to clarify his remarks, telling Fox News in an interview that he had not talked about "the Palestinian culture or the decisions made in their economy."

"I'm not speaking about it, did not speak about the Palestinian culture," Romney told Fox's Carl Cameron

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57483302-503544/romney-i-did-not-speak-about-palestinian-culture/


I can't wait for the day when this cipher has left the world stage. Ten seconds from me hitting submit on this post would be about right. Anything more is almost intolerable. What a moral pygmy.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Romney fun from Poland:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... in-poland/

As Romney made his way to his vehicle, reporters attempted to shout questions to the candidate. The former Massachusetts governor, who has answered only three questions from his traveling press corps during a week-long overseas trip, ignored the queries. Romney did sit down for multiple interviews during his foreign swing, including with CNN's Piers Morgan and Wolf Blitzer. Romney also spoke with NBC News, CBS News, ABC News and Fox News during his trip.

When members of the press tried to ask Romney about some of the mishaps on his trip, his traveling press secretary Rick Gorka verbally dressed down reporters.

Here's a transcript of the questions and Gorka's response:

CNN: "Governor Romney are you concerned about some of the mishaps of your trip?

NYT: "Governor Romney do you have a statement for the Palestinians?

Washington Post: "What about your gaffes?

NYT: "Governor Romney do you feel that your gaffes have overshadowed your foreign trip?"

CNN: "Governor Romney just a few questions sir, you haven't taken but three questions on this trip from the press!

Gorka: "Show some respect"

NYT: "We haven't had another chance to ask a question..."

Gorka: "Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."

Moments later, Gorka told Jonathan Martin, a reporter for Politico, to "shove it." About a half-hour later, the aide called reporters to apologize.


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