Results. State-level firearm ownership was associated with an increase in both male and female firearm-related suicide rates and with a decrease in nonfirearm-related suicide rates. Higher gun ownership was associated with higher suicide rates by any means among male, but not among female, persons.
Conclusions. We found a strong relationship between state-level firearm ownership and firearm suicide rates among both genders, and a relationship between firearm ownership and suicides by any means among male, but not female, individuals.
Jersey Girl wrote:Grenade launchers/grenades are illegal in the US aren't they?
From my internet spelunking:
While legal, they are considered a "destructive device," so there is a permit process with the ATF for each individual grenade/explosive, and each one also has to also be registered. Beyond that, there is also a $200 tax for each "destructive device."
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
In Japan you have the same chance of being killed by a gun as being struck by lightning. The United States is a clear outlier with respect to gun violence of any other developed country in the world.
Do you really think that impoverished Greece, with all of the tumult their society has experienced in the last 10 years, has a better mental health system than the United States? All of these countries, with vastly different cultures and governments, consistently have gun violence rates that are way below those of the United States. The greatest commonality that this countries share is that it is far more difficult to obtaining firearms than in the United States.
I am not saying that mental health shouldn't be discounted in studying gun violence. There were a lot of warning signs that went unnoticed by the system, and the FBI and mental health services need to improve their response. I'm saying that the easy availability of weapons of incredible lethality shouldn't be discounted in the study of gun violence. It is the one statistical outlier that stands out as a giant exception.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization." - Will Durant "We've kept more promises than we've even made" - Donald Trump "Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist." - Edwin Land
MeDotOrg, Truth is in perspective. My stats showed the opposite of yours because it depends on what you compare US to. You are comparing countries - that have high tax and the government is much more influential in peoples lives. It’s a bit like comparing a caged monkey and a free one and saying, “look how well behaved that monkey is in that cage!”
Amore wrote:MeDotOrg (or whoever’s interested in actually learning to prevent reoccurrence)... Sorry I didn’t finish my post. Fatherlessness is extremely high statistically, in the US, as is no parents, compared to other countries. https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... the-world/
The first thing that stuck out to me from your graph is the UK, which has a worse ratio than the US. And the difference between teh US and France/Sweden is marginal.
Single parent households simply don't go far to explaining mass shootings.
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Kevin, Besides mental illness &/or prescription meds, another common factor is most shooters didn’t have their fathers in their lives. You can ignore that, but it doesn’t change it, all it does is prevent you from seeing reality and make you ignor-ant.
What's more pragmatic? Take the stick away or solve mental illness?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
So...how exactly does one go about imposing change on families to increase the ratio of families with two parents including an attentive father figure while avoiding becoming a well trained monkey state so we can remain a free range anarchic monkey state?
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:What's more pragmatic? Take the stick away or solve mental illness?
- Doc
What's more pragmatic? Increasing regulation of certain types of firearms? Or imposing societal changes and expanding social services while not increasing the role of government or funding those social services?
Gun rights advocates in this thread are socialist AF.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
