Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wut. How in the world would anyone do that?
Uh, many organizations have a disciplinary process when employees have been found to make overtly bigoted comments if it is relevant to their profession. I had be involved in disciplinary with someone not that long ago because she said to another employee that people "from Africa" are inherently violent and can't help it. I'm sure you are aware of national stories where people have lost their jobs after they have expressed overt bigotry in public. I'm not even sure why you think this is some magical, wishful thinking. As best I can tell, your objection is in who gets to decide what's misogynist, but there are prevailing norms and arguments that should be able to suss this out. I mean, how do you think it is possible to address sexism in an industry if you can't even figure out what is sexist? All I am suggesting is that in instances in which officials have expressed overt misogyny, they ought to be termed or disciplined depending on the specific situation. That does not mean that any time someone cries sexism, a ump has to be removed. Why would it mean that?
Without knowing for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if this is already in effect, though the culture surrounding it may need to be beefed up.
In addition to that, you make sure to discipline or term umpires who are found to express overt misogyny if and when that comes up to control for inherent biases.
I think it's kind of absurd that tennis players can dictate who the chair umpire should be. As it looks now, the chair umpires are threatening to boycott Serena's matches. To me the market should probably dictate this. But people who love tennis like myself often gravitate to the objectivity of the sport. Now that we have hawkeye, I don't see how the sport could get any more fair. Think of how many more judgment calls go into officiating a basketball game or when to call holding in a football game. Tennis doesn't always get the prettiest players, the strongest players, or even the players with the best looking strokes. It's a pure meritocracy. All that counts is if you can win even if you win ugly. Sometimes that is to the detriment of the mass appeal of tennis. But a few peculiar people like myself love objectivity of it.
Nah, I think it makes sense for their to be an independent body to prevent people from gaming who the umps are to their style. The market has dictated that and should continue to do so. Tennis does benefit from there being fewer spaces for differences in officiating judgments to affect outcomes because so much of the sport is black and white. That's a good thing. On a somewhat related topic, we're well past time to have standardized electronic strike-zones in baseball.
I'd agree on standardized electronic strike zones for sure. But is it worth the cost? Federer was against Hawkeye because he thought the money could better used to allow more kids to play. A couple of bad calls rarely decide a match. Yet the reality is that guys do cheat when calling their own lines in minor league tennis.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wut. How in the world would anyone do that?
Uh, many organizations have a disciplinary process when employees have been found to make overtly bigoted comments if it is relevant to their profession.
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All I am suggesting is that in instances in which officials have expressed overt misogyny, they ought to be termed or disciplined depending on the specific situation.
Ah, I see and I agree. However, I'm sure we're closer to agreement than further apart where Ramos is concerned. At worst he had some sort of unconscious bias at play and at best he's overly nitpicky when it comes to coaching, racket breaking, and outbursts.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I'm surprised they even permitted this man to voice his opinion without losing his job, but he's right on the money.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I watched the match. I follow tennis. I have at times been a high school, rec league sports official. I've for a long time thought Serena is an arrogant ass. I do not believe Mr. Ramos was intentionally picking on Serena. I side with blue.
Dantana wrote:I watched the match. I follow tennis. I have at times been a high school, rec league sports official. I've for a long time thought Serena is an arrogant ass. I do not believe Mr. Ramos was intentionally picking on Serena. I side with blue.
What or who is blue?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Sorry. From the wiki - "In baseball, the umpire is the person charged with officiating the game. The term is often shortened to the colloquial form ump. They are also sometimes addressed as blue due to the common color of the uniform worn by umpires".
Sorry. From the wiki - "In baseball, the umpire is the person charged with officiating the game. The term is often shortened to the colloquial form ump. They are also sometimes addressed as blue due to the common color of the uniform worn by umpires".
Thanks Datana. I think you're the first person along with Doc to share this view. I have a friend who I play tennis with that I can never talk about politics with because he's from East Germany and is a freaking liberal communist. But even he took the side of the umpire on this one. In his words, "I can't stand that woman (Serena)." It really seems to me that the people who follow tennis see Serena for what she is regardless of their politics. It's only the drive by media who sees a sexism problem in tennis.
Nevertheless the USTA and WTA have to bow and kiss Serena's behind in the name of political correctness. It's disgusting. I'm even considering refusing to play in USTA sanctioned leagues from here on out. It burns me up that they've monopolized the club game to the point that we have to be members to participate then see our money funneled out to idiotic causes like this.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Xenophon wrote:I think one of the primary problems here is that we saw, again, just how inconsistent rule enforcement in tennis is, even from the same umpire. From my experience most umps would have let that coaching bit go, or only give a soft warning that doesn't officially count against a player. That warning kind of allowed the next parts to spiral out of control. It is regrettable that Williams couldn't let it go but frankly I prefer my athletes to be passionate, fired-up individuals. Don't you? That is why typically umps are expected to be the one to keep cool. It leads off an article I'll link below but it is worth repeating: when umps and refs are doing a good job, you won't know they are there.
All thoughts on sexism (or racism, where did you get that by the way?) aside, here we had what should have been an incredible and hard-earned win by Osaka (more than likely) that instead was essentially gifted to her. Ramos is, at the very least, guilty of overshadowing what was mostly an incredible match.
the "statistics" show that men are way more penalized than women...except for the coaching - whichis attributed to "dad". Butnote that Serena'a coachlater admitted that he was giving her hand signals to charge net more.
But more importantly, if you watch the trophy presentation you will notice how the crowd and officials make Osaka feel like crap during her first Major win....she even apologizes (and she beat Serena earlier this year). This episode is the worst exhibition of white tears.
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