What will/did Mueller say?

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I think the Democrats ought to move on impeachment because it's the right thing to do. If doing things out of expediency has taught us anything it's taught us this:

It's disastrous when we leave unqualified people in powerful positions just because we're getting some things we like. Ultimately we all suffer by accepting that as business as usual.

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This is what upsets me about the Mueller Report/Testimony. He says things that are just ambiguous enough for people to interpret it two different ways but then pitches a fit over being asked to testify to Congress and answer clarifying questions. And now FOX Noise is proving why they're nothing but dishonest state run propaganda.

This idiot woman on FOX flat out lies, and does it while complaining about the mainstream media for lying when in reality they got it right and she's too damned stupid or dishonest or both, to actually listen or read what's been said. Apparently she doesn't understand what it was Mueller "walked back" later in the interview and was just mimicking Donald Trump who also misquoted what had happened during the hearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240pNlyOk_c

When he said he couldn't make a determination that a crime was committed, Republicans gladly take this to mean no determination was made because no crime was committed. This is what the moron on FOX News just said. But that's not what Mueller said. And he explained what he meant, but FOX News is only interested in sound bytes they can use to further their narrative. Clearly, Mueller means he wasn't permitted to draw a conclusion as to whether or not a crime was committed because to do so would have been unfair to the person accused since he wouldn't be able to defend himself in a court of law. This was explained to those who bothered to read and listen, but unfortunately no Republican falls in that group.

Elsewhere when Mueller is asked if the President could be indicted after leaving office, he responded yes when asked by a Republican. The Congressman was shocked and asked twice, and Mueller responded twice "YES." Then FOX News, mimicking Trump's error, says Mueller walked this back when the only thing he walked back was when he was asked is the OLC policy was the only reason why he didn't indict.

Initially that could have been taken to mean Trump obviously committed a crime if the policy was the only reason he wasn't indicted. But later Mueller realized how that could be misinterpreted and clarified saying the question was asked in a wrong way.
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EAllusion wrote: I think you are just waving the white flag.

Could be. But it's because I saw the guys in action who need to carry the job.

OTOH, there are other venues for removing him and enlisting a broader progressive coalition in 2020 than just those hungry for impeaching Trump. So, it could be seeing a losing strategy and opting for a different one instead rather than surrender.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:It's disastrous when we leave unqualified people in powerful positions just because we're getting some things we like. ...

literally something that could be uttered about any President by any critic. The "qualifications " for President are pretty simple by brilliant design....and far from disastrous.
But feel free to peruse a list of "disasters" here:
http://www.magapill.com

how about that recent Supreme Court decision on$2.5B for building the wall, eh?
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subgenius wrote:how about that recent Supreme Court decision on$2.5B for building the wall, eh?

This stay by the court made me smile. In order to keep the Base hopped up on xenophobia, Trump is now taking dollars meant for our armed forces, and funneling them to his contractor friends, at least for the moment.

Someone's getting pwned there, but it ain't "the libs". ; )
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:how about that recent Supreme Court decision on$2.5B for building the wall, eh?

This stay by the court made me smile. In order to keep the Base hopped up on xenophobia, Trump is now taking dollars meant for our armed forces, and funneling them to his contractor friends, at least for the moment.

Someone's getting pwned there, but it ain't "the libs". ; )


Just one of many ways in which electing Trump is destroying this country. It is clearly unconstitutional for the Executive to spend money that isn't appropriated by Congress for that specific purpose. With McConnell first blocking Garland and Trump getting elected, we'll have to deal with all sorts of stupid Right Wing decisions for the foreseeable future. All this is doing is setting precedents that will one day come back to bite Republicans in the ass. They're just too stupid and politically blinded to understand this.

But $2.5 billion will get Trump maybe another quarter mile of "wall."

Woopty doo.
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Kevin Graham wrote: All this is doing is setting precedents that will one day come back to bite Republicans in the ass. They're just too stupid and politically blinded to understand this.

Or the USA becomes like Poland, Turkey, Hungary, etc. That's distinctly possible. We are on that path. The only question is if we are able to reverse course.

As authoritarian Republicans take power and rig the system in their favor irrespective of norms, law, or justice, Subs gets to go "Lol. Pwnd libs." But that's because he only respects power, and even then only when the people he perceives as being on his side wield it. The propriety of the actions is beside the point to him. If Trump successfully refused to leave office after losing an election, he would only be able to interpret that in terms of pwning the libs.

Erdogan is pwning the libs too.
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:how about that recent Supreme Court decision on$2.5B for building the wall, eh?

This stay by the court made me smile. In order to keep the Base hopped up on xenophobia, Trump is now taking dollars meant for our armed forces, and funneling them to his contractor friends, at least for the moment.

Someone's getting pwned there, but it ain't "the libs". ; )


If you can, refresh my memory. Didn't he ask for an exorbitant military budget and get it? Am I misremembering or simply confused? Both?

If I'm right, we know why he did so. In fact, didn't he say he wanted to dip into the military budget for the wall?

World's going crazy, cp. I can't keep up with what all has happened.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
canpakes wrote:This stay by the court made me smile. In order to keep the Base hopped up on xenophobia, Trump is now taking dollars meant for our armed forces, and funneling them to his contractor friends, at least for the moment.

Someone's getting pwned there, but it ain't "the libs". ; )

If you can, refresh my memory. Didn't he ask for an exorbitant military budget and get it? Am I misremembering or simply confused? Both?


Yes, 1.48 trillion dollars for the defense budget. More than everything else combined.

But, subs likes increased deficit spending and sky-high debt, too, because having his kids pay that back 3x after interest is also “pwning the libs” in his mind.

From elsewhere on the web:

"For the love of god, can we all stop pretending like this is somehow anything other than a continued orgy of unprecedented, wasteful, and obscene spending at the Pentagon."
—Stephen Miles, Win Without War
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