Flynn Walks

[_honorentheos]

Granted, these are extremely extreme extremists unlike sober-minded individuals like David Brooks, Tom Friedman, and the like, but food for thought from the radical fridge.

Thanks for demonstrating the point that your presentation here has taken on an extreme quality. Sources views aside, you can't help yourself it seems.

[_EAllusion]

[quote]Thanks for demonstrating the point that your presentation here has taken on an extreme quality. Sources views aside, you can't help yourself it seems.[/quote]

Yeah, so, the position I expressed wasn't extremist so much as a counter-point to real-deal extremism that took in a handful of middle-brow pundits with a long track-record of being wrong and, apparently, you. I was not a fan of your rhetorical condescension - might as well used the word "alarmist" to really capture the spirit of it. So, I'll entertain myself poking fun at it. But, because I'm not gonna just two-bit it, I figured I'd gesture at the scope of agreement with my view and cogent arguments for it while mocking you.

[_honorentheos]

Thanks for demonstrating the point that your presentation here has taken on an extreme quality. Sources views aside, you can't help yourself it seems.

Yeah, so, the position I expressed wasn't extremist so much as a counter-point to real-deal extremism that took in a handful of middle-brow pundits with a long track-record of being wrong and, apparently, you.

It's definitely the opinions YOU express, not your sources.

Former members of the Justice Department sign a letter calling for Barr to step down?

EA: Barr should be in jail! Everyone agrees with me who's smart! See!?

Someone includes a thought that points out a little grey in an issue along with other points?

EA: "Very serious people" are drinking the Trump koolaid and being taken for a ride by the right wing media!

Here's you at the start of the thread:

Apparently Criminal Presidents are empowered to let their criminal confederates escape the law.

One of the more important takeaways here is how free they feel to be so openly corrupt at this point. Not even a fig leaf involved. You don't get to this level of brazenness in a mafia state without the ruling regime feeling a certain level of impunity. Those feelings don't come from nowhere.

The next logical step is prosecuting political enemies on thin pretexts. We've seen how this goes in enough other nations to get to be Cassandras during our own fall.

See?! Former members of the JD agree we are living in a mafia state where brazen authoritarianism is ungloved and openly crushing democracy live on CNN....and CNN cheers the controversy for ratings! Everyone is complicit who doesn't agree with me!

So yeah..you're an extremist. Most of the time it takes the form of positing the inevitability of extreme ramifications that, outside of certain parties, isn't reflecting the scope of the issue.

I was not a fan of your rhetorical condescension - might as well used the word "alarmist" to really capture the spirit of it. So, I'll entertain myself poking fun at it. But, because I'm not gonna just two-bit it, I figured I'd gesture at the scope of agreement with my view and cogent arguments for it while mocking you.

Funny that posting a comment or link and spinning it up to maximize the hyperbole is what passes for cogent argument...oh, wait..I see what you did. ;)

[_EAllusion]

[quote]Most of the time it takes the form of positing the inevitability of extreme ramifications that, outside of certain parties, isn't reflecting the scope of the issue.[/quote]

The impressive part is you wrote this post *after* the President started trying to whip up going after President Obama and former members of his administration related to investigation into his circle's malfeasance for sham crimes, promised more to come in that regard, right-wing media began blanket coverage supporting that position, and multiple US Senators backed doing so. When you want to describe my claim that this is the likely next step as a hysterical overreaction, you should consider being wrong [i]before[/i] something like that happens instead of after. It looks a little less ridiculous.

Or maybe you think of me describing that as the "fall of the country" is just a little too hyperbolic for you. But hey, we just might differ there. I think of that *as* the fallen state. Perhaps you might look around, notice that your lifestyle is still comfortable, and think to describe that as a fallen state is a bit much. Of course, that's true for the great bulk of people in Russia, Turkey, Poland, Hungary, the Philippines... Life goes on for most people much as it did before.

We just then have different ideas about what's worth lamenting.

[_ajax18]

As long as President Obama tells the truth, he should have anything to worry about right? Susan Rice already made sure to note on January 17, 2017 before he left office that he wanted the Flynn investigation done by the book back on January 4, 2017. Won't that be enough to cover the President so only those below him in the administration have to answer for using illegal tactics to prosecute men they knew were innocent in an effort to overturn the results of the 2016 election.

I'm sure the ends justify any illegal means in the eyes of most Democrats.

[_Chap]

I'm sure the ends justify any illegal means in the eyes of most Democrats.

Do the majority of Democrats (presumably in the general sense of those who support Democrat candidates with their vote) think this way?

I don't think you'd find that even the majority of Republican voters think of Democrats that way, or that the majority of Democrats voters think of Republicans that way.

I have a feeling you are way out on a limb here. Or if you aren't, the US is in a very bad place indeed.

[_EAllusion]

Ajax is part of a vast political culture that currently controls most of the US government believes that subverting the law (or, more importantly, propriety) is appropriate in pursuit of power and projects that onto its opposition so people like himself can reason that since it is corruption all the way down anyway, it might as well be for what he favors. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" he tells himself, then eagerly shares that thought here. That's the first goal of the conspiracy mongering - to provide cover for the real stuff.

People like Honor then get co-opted to provide cover for people like Ajax. Because the truth is always somewhere in the middle, you just need to force the "middle" to an extreme and you got someone who is willing to argue that nuance dictates that you exist as part of a valid co-partisan debate where you make some good points and anyone who points out this is insanity gets gaslighted as hysterical.

This isn't even a "smart" strategy per se. It's just bad actors whose failings are advantaged in a broken culture.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Boy, Honor must’ve really gotten under EA’s skin.

-Doc

[_EAllusion]

USPS leadership is now being purged, so you can add that to the purge list.

Also, the names of investigators who uncovered Flynn are being declassified now for what I am sure is legitimate purposes:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics ... index.html

[_ajax18]

USPS leadership is now being purged, so you can add that to the purge list.

Also, the names of investigators who uncovered Flynn are being declassified now for what I am sure is legitimate purposes:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics ... index.html

Why are you worried about this being declassified? Why do you want this to remain hidden to the public?