RvW Overturned - Abortions Now Illegal

[Vēritās]

Fun fact I just learned from reddit:

Mormonism does not consider a person alive until birth, then and only then does the spirit enter the body and become a actual living person.

That is why they do not put still born babies down as a child of record in the church.

Have you not watched Saturday's Warrior? Everyone knows the spirit comes down during birth.

[Vēritās]

it is incredibly naïve and thoughtless to imagine that bearing a child, with all its ramifications, is simply "nine months of inconvenience".

And it's not naïve and thoughtless to consider a baby a home invader breaking in uninvited? This disrespect for the sanctity of life and our misuse and abuse of our procreative powers will kindle the wrath of God upon our culture like no other.

This is worn out right wing trash talk. If your imaginary God was going to punish countries for this then why hasn't he punished all of those secular countries in Europe?

No one is "abusing" powers of procreation, and the things you talk about with respect to abortion are things that almost never happen. You're entirely ignorant on this subject, like everything else it seems. If a fertilized egg is a "baby" then millions are being killed naturally via natural miscarriage. Most miscarriages happen without the women ever knowing they were pregnant.

Banning Roe will serve no purpose other than to drive the masses to the voting booths to push out the theocratic tyrants that have been put in place by radical outlets like the Federalist Society. It will save not one single fertilized egg so your vision of saving babies is hilariously wrong and it will backfire if you think taking the rights of more than 150 million Americans is going to help you politically.

[Vēritās]

...none of which you really care about, Ajax, these are just talking points to you.

Anyway, at the end of the day, this is going to hurt right-wingers as much as left, if not more, given the level of promiscuity and teenage pregnancy in rural states, not to mention right-wing men and their escorts.

Well it'll give Biden something else to campaign on besides $7/gallon gasoline, inflation, and the economic fruits of socialism that we're currently enjoying.

Thanks to Trump no doubt. He's the one who dumped more than $5 trillion into the money pit because he thought it would help him get reelected. He's the one who threatened Saudi Arabia to cut back on oil production. He's the one who caused farmers to file for bankruptcy at a record rate because of his dumb trade war, which in turn increased prices on American consumers.

[Vēritās]

And it's not naïve and thoughtless to consider a baby a home invader breaking in uninvited? This disrespect for the sanctity of life and our misuse and abuse of our procreative powers will kindle the wrath of God upon our culture like no other.

"God"? You mean the entity that YOU believe in? And the beliefs that YOU ascribe to YOUR imaginary being?

And YOU assume that the entire rest of the country should ascribe to YOUR beliefs?

please. Grow up. I stated a fact. You are spouting nonsense.

He's talking about the God who banned black people from having his holy priesthood up until the time his Church was forced to bend to the power of American Liberals who demanded equality. The same God who told him black people were disobedient rebels in the preexistence, hence their "curse."

[Vēritās]

Wouldn’t the “misuse and abuse of our procreative powers” refer more accurately to the act of rape that creates the pregnancy that the victim would not be allowed to terminate?

Rape is illegal. And as heinous a crime as it is, I don't see how killing the baby makes things right.

No one is killing babies. The only time late term abortions happen is when it is a medical emergency to save the life of the mother, and this is likely going to be an exception that no longer exists in some states, resulting in the death of the mother. And rape is perfectly fine for Trump, who raped his own wife according to her sworn divorce deposition. It is also a fine qualification to become a GOP approved SOCTUS nominee. Stop pretending you folks on the Right care about women being raped and stop pretending for a second you care about babies.

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[Vēritās]

It is still wrong.

Says who?

[Vēritās]

Just to be clear, we're going to strip away liberties from hundreds of millions of adult US citizens and force them to undergo an invasive surgical procedure if needed (C-Section), force them to pay for their own medical costs, and then risk their lives in the process all because a bunch of religious idiots think this is a baby:

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Fewer than 1% of all abortions happen in the third trimester. The ones that do happen are almost never a matter of "convenience." Most of them are a matter of health risks to the baby or the mother, as well as the irony that many of them are forced to get abortions later because abortion restrictions in their states prevent them from getting it done earlier.

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Science tells us that a fetus cannot feel pain until at least 20 weeks. Some idiots think it is earlier based on what some perceive to be a "heart beat." Their religion associates the soul with a heartbeat or whatever. Ignoring the fact that there is no brain or spinal cord developed yet, which is actually required to feel pain.

[Vēritās]

Georgia

Georgia enacted a six-week abortion ban in 2019 that bans abortions when a fetal heartbeat can be detected. The law was blocked by the courts from going into effect, but will likely be enforceable if the Supreme Court overturns Roe. A six-week ban will function as a near-total ban on abortion as many women do not even know if they are pregnant at six weeks. The law contains exceptions in the case of medical emergencies, rape and incest. The latter two exceptions can only be approved if a report is filed with law enforcement.

Iowa

Iowa Republicans passed legislation in 2018 banning abortions when a fetal heartbeat can be identified ― usually around six weeks into a pregnancy.

Ohio

Abortion would be banned in Ohio at around six weeks, according to the state’s “fetal heartbeat” law.
South Carolina

South Carolina enacted a six-week “fetal heartbeat” ban law in 2021. Like the laws in Georgia, Iowa, Ohio and South Carolina, a federal court blocked the law from going into effect. Once the court lifts the block on the law, it will be illegal to obtain an abortion in the state when a fetal heartbeat can be detected. South Carolina Republicans considered legislation totally banning abortion in 2022, but did not pass it. That may change if Roe is overturned.

Kentucky

The trigger law banning abortion in almost all cases goes into effect immediately. The law only provides an exception for abortions to save the mother’s life.

Louisiana

Louisiana’s 2006 trigger law immediately bans almost all abortions in the state except in circumstances where the mother’s life is at risk.

Arkansas

The state’s 2021 trigger law immediately bans all abortions within the state except those where it would be necessary to save the life of the mother. The law punishes doctors who perform abortions with up to 10 years in prison and fines up to $100,000. There is no exception for rape or incest.

Idaho

Idaho’s trigger law banning most abortions in the state takes effect 30 days after Roe is overturned. The law punishes doctors performing abortions with a minimum of two years in prison. The only exceptions to the law are abortions to save the life of the mother and when a patient can show evidence of a report field with law enforcement alleging that the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.

Mississippi

The state’s 2007 trigger law would ban almost all abortions in the state within 10 days of the decision overturning Roe. The law grants exceptions in the case of rape and when it would save the life of the mother.

Missouri

A 2019 trigger law immediately bans abortion in the state, except to save the mother’s life or prevent serious bodily harm, upon certification from the governor, attorney general or legislature that Roe has been overturned. The law would penalize anyone who induces an abortion with between five to 15 years in prison.

North Dakota

The state immediately bans almost all abortions except in the case of rape, incest or the where mother’s life is at risk under its trigger law passed in 2007.

Oklahoma

Oklahoma’s trigger law banning all abortions except in cases where necessary to save the life of the mother goes into effect immediately. The Republican-run state government passed a new law in May increasing penalties for performing an abortion to a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine up to $100,000.

South Dakota

The state’s 2005 trigger law ― the first one passed in the country ― immediately bans all abortions except to save the life of the mother. The law bans both medical abortions and the provision or prescription of any abortion drug to a pregnant woman.

Tennessee

Tennessee enacted a trigger law in 2019 that bans all abortions except in when the life of the mother is at risk. Abortion providers would face three to 15 years in prison and fines up to $10,000 for performing an abortion in the state. The law goes into effect 30 days after the Supreme Court overturns Roe.

Texas

Almost all abortions will be banned within 30 days after Roe is overturned under Texas’ trigger law. The only exception to the law is if the mother’s life is in danger. Providers performing an abortion could face life in prison and a fine of at least $100,000.

Utah

The state’s 2020 trigger law banning almost all abortions in the state goes into effect as soon as the legislative general counsel affirms that the court has overturned Roe. The law bans all abortions except in the case of rape, incest, severe birth defects causing the baby to die shortly after being born or be born into a mentally vegetative state and the life of the mother is in danger. The rape and incest exceptions can only be used if the act was previously reported to law enforcement.

Wyoming

Wyoming’s trigger law banning most abortions goes into effect five days after the governor certifies that Roe is overturned. The law bans all abortions except in the cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother is in danger.

Alabama

Alabama still has a pre-Roe abortion ban on its books that has been enjoined by a court order since 1973. The pre-Roe law provides an exception for the life of the mother and punishes abortion providers up to one year in prison and a maximum fine of $1,000.

Arizona

A near-total abortion ban suspended by the court’s decision in Roe in 1973 could be revived if Roe is overturned. The law includes an exception for the life of the mother. But Gov. Doug Ducey (R) wants a newer law banning abortion after 15 weeks that was passed in 2022 to supersede the old ban.

Michigan

Michigan retains a pre-Roe abortion ban law enacted in 1931 on its books. The law, which includes an exception for the life of the mother, was suspended by a court order in 1973.

West Virginia

A 19th century abortion ban in West Virginia would come back to life if Roe is overturned. The law punishes abortion providers with three to 10 years of prison. It contains an exception for the life of the mother.

Wisconsin

The state’s 1849 abortion ban would be revived if Roe is overturned. The law punishes providers with up to six years in prison, or up to 10 years if the pregnancy is quick (the fetus is moving, which normally happens between 16 and 20 weeks). It includes an exception for the life of the mother.

[Gunnar]

Lawrence: Never Forget The GOP Presidents Who Overturned Roe

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains that Republican judges on the Supreme Court share a dangerous Trumpian characteristic: they are incapable of being embarrassed by what they don’t know or understand.

O'Donnell Stated it very well indeed. I strongly agree that the current, conservative Supreme Court does not deserve any respect for their latest opinion on Roe vs. Wade. At least 5 of the conservative justices are arguably among the most corrupt, most anti-democracy and cruelest Justices ever nominated to the court. They are willfully ignorant and disdainful of what the vast majority of Americans want. 4 of these justices were nominated and pushed through to the Supreme Court by Presidents who lost the popular vote, but won in the electoral college vote. Their position on abortion is by no means a product of democracy, but of minority rule. And these conservative justices are seemingly incapable of being embarrassed by their hypocrisy, as O'Donnell rightly pointed out.

[MeDotOrg]

If a woman is forced to carry the offspring of her rapist, shouldn't the rapist be required to pay child support, either to the mother or to the state?

If the rapist is jailed where does the money come from?

Good point, but my point is the rapist is responsible for the life of the child. The overturning of Roe v Wade places a tremendous burden on women. Men are jailed for the crime of rape, but they are not presented with any legal obligation to be responsible for the life they are bringing into the world.

If a drunk driver kills someone, they are jailed for the crime of operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, but they still have a financial obligation for damages. Why should it be different for a rapist?