Trump's War on Children

[_canpakes]

For those of you keeping score at home, on this issue One-eye is all about the government heeding the counsel of religion, but on the issue of abortion the government should 180 on the value of children/family and heed the separation of church and state.
As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

#abortionkills

I wasn’t aware that the US government forces pregnant women who are detained at the border to surrender their unborn fetuses.

[_Chap]

As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

I do sympathise with the motives of people who, in the belief that human life begins at conception, and that all human life is sacred, wish to ensure that no pregnancy that is capable of being brought to term should ever be ended by medical intervention. (I said I sympathise with their motives, though I don't agree with their views on the nature of human gestation or the conclusions they draw from those.)

But ... my problem is that their concern for the life of the child usually seems to stop when it has left its mother's womb. It seems to be no part of the agenda of the militant pro-lifers, who are so passionate that every fetus should be born, to ensure that this new living human being, once said to be so precious and sacred, should be provided with resources to ensure that it is adequately fed, clothed, housed and educated. That's all down to the parents, and the child has to take its chances from then on. If they are deadbeats, then that's just bad luck for the kid.

It's alive, and that's all that matters. And hey! If things don't work out so well, so much the better for the huge and growing criminal custody industry once the child is old enough to be sent to jail! Inmates have to come from somewhere, don't they?

[_honorentheos]

U.S. interfaith leaders urge government to #KeepFamiliesTogether

For those of you keeping score at home, on this issue One-eye is all about the government heeding the counsel of religion, but on the issue of abortion the government should 180 on the value of children/family and heed the separation of church and state.
As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

#abortionkills

You miss what Hawkeye is saying here, subbie. Jeff Sessions used the Bible to defend the Trump administration's policy that forcibly removes children from their parents when they arrive at the US border without a visa. By doing so, Sessions attempted to place their policy within the jurisprudence of the Judeo-Christian tradition. The care takers of that tradition have rejected that claim. That's meaningful for that reason.

As to abortion, I chose to start a new thread to see what you really think about that issue. Feel free to participate and enlighten us on the inconsistences of liberal's support for child rights.

[_subgenius]

For those of you keeping score at home, on this issue One-eye is all about the government heeding the counsel of religion, but on the issue of abortion the government should 180 on the value of children/family and heed the separation of church and state. As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

#abortionkills

I wasn’t aware that the US government forces pregnant women who are detained at the border to surrender their unborn fetuses.

no, but the women have the freedom to dispose of that unborn fetus...well, not all them now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKCN1J01RB

your unawareness notwithstanding.

[_Hawkeye]

U.S. interfaith leaders urge government to #KeepFamiliesTogether

For those of you keeping score at home, on this issue One-eye is all about the government heeding the counsel of religion, but on the issue of abortion the government should 180 on the value of children/family and heed the separation of church and state.
As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

#abortionkills

Damn, you have to be the dumbest idiot on the web.

The point of the post was to point out two obvious facts:

1. The GOP's attempt to use the Bible/Christianity to justify their anti-Biblical/anti-Christian policy is obviously a bogus argument because there isn't a single authority on the Bible who believes Sessions' and Sanders' idiotic interpretation is valid.

2. Point #1 is supported by the fact that religious leaders are condemning them.

The argument never was, nor would it ever be, that government needs to heed the counsel of religious leaders. Religious leaders are the authority of idiot Republicans like you, and we're just pointing out that you've sold your soul on the matter and have no leg to stand on when it comes to morality or religion. What matters most to you is the cult of Trumpsim.

[_Hawkeye]

Democrats Visit Immigrant Detention Center

The group, led by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, attempted to enter the Elizabeth Contract Detention Facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey, for over an hour Sunday morning. Several members of the delegation ― which included Reps. Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.), Albio Sires (D-N.J.), Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) and Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.) ― were ultimately allowed inside.

Stephen C. Tighe
Rep. Nadler is now speaking on the phone with an ICE Supervisor, Mr. Brennan, while Rep. Pascrell argues with staff through the glass. The Members of Congress have now been demanding access to the facility for the better part of an hour.
9:50 AM - Jun 17, 2018

Bill Pascrell, Jr.
ICE staff told us to wait five minutes. That was 50 minutes ago. @RepJerryNadler @FrankPallone @RepSires @RepMaloney @RepEspaillat @RepJeffries and I literally banging on the door to gain entry to the jail to see separated families.
10:12 AM - Jun 17, 2018

Carolyn B. Maloney
We are at the ICE Detention Center in Elizabeth, New Jersey. where ICE is denying us entry to meet with fathers separated from their families. They’re now covering the windows with paper so we can't see in. This is not America. #FamiliesBelongTogther #FathersDay
10:24 AM - Jun 17, 2018

[_subgenius]

Damn, you have to be the dumbest idiot on the web.

unfortunately that crown rests securely on your head. You parade religion around with convenience as if you have any sort of insight or authority on the matter. And then worse, you prop up children to support your ignorance on political policy... where was yourhair-fire in2014 when the same was happening under your beloved bull of a president ya cuckold excuse of an adult.

educate yourself:

Pictures of the children that Obama took from families while you didn't care because Obama was your bull

Good law you pathetic.

[_Jersey Girl]

I read this the other day. It includes 2 more condemnations. This is what needs to continue. Turn the heat up on Trump and Sessions until they melt.

American Academy of Pediatrics and American College of Physicians

(Let the video play on this link, it's got a video tour of part of the Walmart shelter)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/health/i ... index.html

https://www.acponline.org/acp-newsroom/ ... -at-border

Additional information regarding the video tour. In it, the reporter says that there are 5 cots crammed into one room. The space between cots is mandated by state law. It's the same distance between cots found in any day care center that runs full time program. Cots can be more spread out however, the closets they can be placed is mandated by state licensing.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's the part of Sessions statement that I was unsure of. It's the folks coming in between ports of entry.

"Non-citizens who cross our borders unlawfully, between our ports of entry, with children are not an exception," the attorney general said. "They are the ones who broke the law, they are the ones who endangered their own children on their trek."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/0 ... /23461181/

I don't know why they're crossing in between and not through the ports of entry.

In any case Melania has published (same link as above) a statement through her spokeswoman and damn if she didn't jump right in:

"Mrs. Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform," according to a statement from her spokeswoman. "She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

[_honorentheos]

In any case Melania has published (same link as above) a statement through her spokeswoman and damn if she didn't jump right in:

"Mrs. Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform," according to a statement from her spokeswoman. "She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

Mexico beating Germany, Switzerland playing to a draw with Brazil and this. What a day.