Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

[_Icarus]

He is smart...you don't become a Billionaire, own property all over the world, have a great family, beautiful wife...totally destroy maybe the most "qualified presidential candidate" the US has ever had. Have a top rated TV show...and totally get into so many heads ,like yours...by being stupid.

Everything you just mentioned was a product of him being born to a wealthy real estate guru. I remember FORBES did a piece and concluded Trump's net worth would be more than double what he claims it is if he had simply invested his inheritance into the S&P 500. All he has done is run a dozens of businesses into the ground. His only success is from living off his Dad's name, using it to become a celebrity, and then a gift from Comey.

He is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He says stupid things, like you just wrote. He has no filter, he is a narcissist and again other things, but not stupid.

Stupid people don't say stupid things because they have no filter. Thinking that this is true is just indicative of a stupid person.

He is also "dumb" enough, to "drain the swamp"

This is Exhibit B demonstrating your own stupidity. The government has never been more corrupt or swampier than it is now.

[_Some Schmo]

And by the way, we have no proof he's a billionaire. I highly doubt he ever was. His salary for doing the Apprentice was a pittance for a billionaire, and that show did nothing to improve his reputation (unless you're a gullible fool).

You will believe anything, Markk.

[_Jersey Girl]

He is smart...you don't become a Billionaire, own property all over the world, have a great family, beautiful wife...totally destroy maybe the most "qualified presidential candidate" the US has ever had. Have a top rated TV show...and totally get into so many heads ,like yours...by being stupid.

You don't have any idea how much he's worth.

[_Jersey Girl]

The damned Kardashians have a top rated show.

Kylie Jenner is worth a documented 1 billion dollars mainly from her cosmetics line.

None of us know how much Trump is worth.

[_Markk]

. I have a very low opinion of people.

LOL.. ya think

[_canpakes]

Oh, look. There it is again. The thing you said you didn’t say.

Here’s where I ask you again, just as I did in the previous post, to tell me what level of pay implies no corruption, or some corruption, if the amount of pay is actually a concern.

And, as you are confusing what Congress authorized with some idea that Joe Biden is writing checks from a secret monster-funded slush account (he’s not, but you can’t help yourself from being dishonest with your characterization of how the aid process worked), when are you going to draw the connecting line between those aid dollars and Joe Biden’s actual bank account?

I’ll go get a coffee while you figure out yet another way to dodge these questions.

And you ducked what I wrote in any context...again trolling.

Here it is again...

That is another straw-man question...the corruption evidence (in part), that in my opinion and Trump's, that demands an investigation, is that he was working for a known corrupt firm, with a boss that has fled the Ukraine to avoid prosecution for corruption, and getting paid lots of money (above the norm), as was his associates, while his father was charged with handing out billions to the Ukraine...and admitting to having the GP fired, that has claimed he was looking into the Biden/Burisma connection. Also, the meeting at the white house with Joe Biden by Rosemont associates (Archer) while the VP was finalizing a deal with the Ukraine for the aid being given for the natural gas industry, in which Hunter was hired on to head up the legal team for the second largest NGC at the time, ran by the former mnister that owned Burisma and gave Burisma many licenses to extract the gas. Noting, 112K was paid to Rosemont, the day before the White House meeting...etc, etc

Also, expounding on this. Hunter was paid above industry standards for board members, and given that his boss was all of the above and more. Given he admitted he got the position most likely becasue of his name. I addressed this here which you have ducked and most likely haven't even looked at it because you are a troll.

Here is where I addressed this viewtopic.php?p=1218104#p1218104

Markk, you missed it again. Here, let me reduce the question to 5 words:

What is “above the norm”?

Give me a dollar figure and the rationale used to determine it. This is your complaint; defend or define it.

[_Markk]

LOL Troll...

Read what I wrote...go to the link I gave you, and try to focus on the big picture.

Anyone has the right to pay what they want, and receive what the market demands. ...LOL... In this case the market price salary from Russian influenced Mobsters, who bilked their country out of millions with corruption, for family members and friends of the VP of the United States...is around 83K a month...with “perks” that add up to over 3 million of 4 years or so.

The average board member who does not work for Russian backed mobsters, is anywhere from 50 to 90k average in the USA, a year according to this site... https://www.salary.com/research/salary/ ... ber-salary


So when you put everything together...meeting with Joe in the White House the day after he finalized the term for aid to the Ukrain gas industry, no experience, known corruption by Burisma, and all the other things I mentioned, and other things I haven’t even got to yet...there is more than enough evidence for the investigation that is currently happening. Which is an investigation of Hunter’s dealing with the Russian supported Burisma.

Troll on.

[_canpakes]

The average board member who does not work for Russian backed mobsters, is anywhere from 50 to 90k average in the USA, a year according to this site... https://www.salary.com/research/salary/ ... ber-salary

Cool. What Burisma paid Hunter was right in line with the average compensation of typical board members. So, when you were complaining earlier - for over 30 pages, across two threads - that Hunter made "above the norm", you were just basically pulling that claim out of your arse.

We can now toss this aside as any indication of corruption, in and of itself. I trust that you won't need to bitch about his salary again, as that would look as if you're trying to be purposefully dishonest.

Thanks!

Now, why do you suppose that the folks in charge of investigations in Ukraine see no need to investigate your corruption accusations against either Biden?

[_Markk]

LOL...the site I gave you is per year, not per month

Troll

[Guest]

LOL...the site I gave you is per year, not per month

Troll

OK. My mistake for misreading the comment. So back to the original question.

How is Hunter's pay necessarily indicative of corruption?

And, what about those crazy Ukrainians not seeing any Biden Crime Family conspiracy?

ETA: Markk, let me clarify that although I misread your comment as a monthly figure, you still are pulling the "above the norm" claim out of your arse. Why? Your link provides an average across all companies, including those of small size with low-paid board members. That category includes folks like myself. I'm pretty sure that this category isn't representative of Ukraine's second-largest natural gas producer.

A more honest comparison would be to compare Biden's compensation to that of the S&P 500 companies. The situation changes a bit when you do this:

How Much Do Corporate Board Directors Get Paid?

The research firm MyLogIQ LLC gathered data from the company’s 2017 proxy filings to form a list of director compensation at all S&P 500 companies.

To get a feel for the median company with paid board directors, USA Today took a closer look at some numbers for director compensation for Applied Materials, which was #250 on their list. At Applied Materials, the median cost of a board is approximately $2.83 million a year. Applied’s board consists of nine independent board directors and one other board director. All board directors come up for election every year.

On average, board directors attended around 75% of board and committee meetings. They met five times during 2017. Applied Materials pays its board directors a retainer of $70,000 annually and a fee of $2,000 for each meeting they attend.

For the second quarter of 2017, Applied Materials gave its audit committee members an additional annual retainer of $25,000. They also gave their compensation and human resources committee members an extra $12,500, while the governance and nominating committee members got an additional $10,000. The director who serves as board chair got an additional payment of $150,000 and committee chairs got somewhere between $12,500 and $25,000 additionally by way of retainer fees. If that isn’t enough, all the independent directors were given stock with a value of $222,643. The company also paid other fees and reimbursement for travel.

What Are the Top-Three Highest-Paid S&P 500 Boards?

The top-paid S&P 500 board in 2017 was Twenty-First Century Fox Inc. (NASDAQ: FOXA), with a total board compensation of $25.57 million. The average compensation per board member was $2.58 million in 2017.

The company that landed the #2 spot for the highest-paid board was Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc. (NASDAQ: REGN), with a total board compensation of $23.88 million. The average compensation package for board directors was $2.17 million.

The company that took the #3 spot for the highest-paid S&P 500 board was Incyte Corp. (NASDAQ: INCY), with a total board compensation of $7.92 million. Their board directors get compensated around $1.13 million per year.

https://insights.diligent.com/board-com ... s-get-paid

Hunter Biden's compensation is on par with the higher range. Not unexpected given Burisma's #2 producer ranking.

Let me know how you determine that this standard is indicative of 'corruption'.