Systemic Racism in America Exists

[huckelberry]

1. How would you control them in this way?

2. Is this what Trump is doing at all of those rallies when he tells his fans that they’re victims of the evil Democrats?

Trolling aside.... Sweet little blep blep blah blay blay........ these questions in a way that would contribute to a conversation. You are not a lawyer and this is not a deposition. Make your own case without these sorry questions that are contrived AF. ... Make your own case with the facts and ....

Nobody needs to instruct black folks about being victims. They both already know about it and have been working on ways to overcome that for at least a couple of centuries. If there are some legal points they have not been aware of in this process then learning about that(critical race theory) helps plans and efforts to make improvements.

If there are people learning new things about victims it would be white people who are sometimes seem pretty unaware of the matter.

[canpakes]

Despite silly talk about drilling for oil being racist I think you actually slip an interesting point in there. I hear more urge to push electric cars and less talk about where that electricity comes from. It is like certain northwest dams some folks want to breach despite the fact they produce renewable energy, in fact are good at doing that.

If the drought out west continues for too much longer, the issue for dams may change quite a bit. In any event, their place within the necessary agricultural and power infrastructure landscapes won’t be dismantled by any overly zealous ‘Earth First’ types.

And you’re right; ‘where electricity comes from’ certainly does factor into the thread topic, given where so many of the older coal-fired generating plants operate -

Coal plants place a disproportionate burden on poor and largely minority communities, exposing residents to high levels of pollutants that affect public health, according to a new report led by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

The report ranks all 378 coal-fired power plants in the United States according to a plant's impact on the health, economics and environment of nearby communities. People living near coal plants are disproportionately poor and minorities, the report found; the six million people living within three miles of those 378 plants have an average per capita income of $18,400 per year; 39 percent are people of color. "The message arising from this report is simple: These polluting, life-compromising coal plants must be closed," the NAACP concluded in its report, Coal Blooded: Putting Profits Before People.

More at Scientific American -

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -of-color/

[canpakes]

Huck, here’s more for discussion at the link below -

https://www.ehn.org/amp/pollution-pover ... 2645574974

… This socioeconomic profile and long history of environmental hazards have left East St. Louis with what experts suspect is one of the highest asthma rates in the nation.

Seven million American children – nearly one out of every ten – have asthma, and the rate has been climbing for the past few decades, reaching epidemic proportions. For black children, it's even worse – one out of every six – and the reported rate rose 50 percent between 2001 and 2010, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"We are seeing higher asthma numbers in emergency departments, and we're realizing it's on the rise," said Anna Hardy, a public health nurse in East St. Louis.

What is it about this city – and other poor, African American cities across the nation – that leaves children with a disproportionate burden of respiratory disease? Is it the factories? The traffic exhaust? The substandard housing? For two decades, medical experts have struggled to unravel the mysterious connections between inner-city life and asthma, and while they have reached no conclusions yet, they suspect they know the answer: All of the above.
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[Chap]

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And you’re right; ‘where electricity comes from’ certainly does factor into the thread topic, given where so many of the older coal-fired generating plants operate -

Coal plants place a disproportionate burden on poor and largely minority communities, exposing residents to high levels of pollutants that affect public health, according to a new report led by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. [...]

So long as you have a lot of empty and otherwise little used and very sunny space, the renewable energy source that is solar power can be exploited without generating atmospheric pollution . And it's cheaper than fossil fuel energy, and getting even cheaper all the time.

And guess what? The US has a lot of that space just waiting to be exploited. On top of that, there are vast expanses of accessible continental shelf waters from which wind energy can be harvested. The damage to the environment per Megawatt-hour of such renewable energy is hugely less than what fossil fuel extraction and burning causes for an equivalent amount.

In the first instance cheap renewables can supply the need for electricity distributed for domestic or industrial use. The UK is experiencing more and more days on which its electricity demands are mainly met by renewables.

But as production grows (and there is nothing to stop it), there will be more and more cities whose transportation, both public and private, goes electric. Eventually it will be the old gas-guzzling vehicles that can't find a refill, while the country has plenty of electric charging points offering rapid recharges for new high capacity batteries.

Once people said nothing could replace the horse. Then it was steam engines that would never be replaced by those little popping motor cars. Now people are telling us renewable electric vehicle power is just a tree-huggers' dream. Yeah, yeah ...

That will leave the fossil industry with a hugely reduced need to produce oil: currently only 12% of production goes to feed the chemical industry.. Oh, and did I mention not belching CO2 into the atmosphere to drive up temperatures to levels where half the country burns up? There is that too.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

- Doc

[canpakes]

More regarding systemic racism, with regard to toxic waste sites -

… Several decades of research in the field of environmental justice has established clear patterns of racial and socioeconomic disparities in the distribution of a large variety of environmental hazards. Hazardous waste sites, polluting industrial facilities and other locally unwanted land uses are disproportionately located in nonwhite and poor communities.

But are those disparities the result of facility owners deciding to build in communities dominated by the poor and minorities? Or did the establishment of hazardous facilities cause post-siting demographic changes that led to disproportionately high concentrations of low-income residents and minorities?

That longstanding question has remained unresolved and is known as the chicken or egg question of environmental justice research. Previous studies have provided conflicting answers, in part due to methodological differences.

To test ideas about the two processes thought to account for present-day racial and socioeconomic disparities around hazardous waste facilities, Mohai and Saha conducted a national level, longitudinal study.

They looked at the demographic composition of neighborhoods around the time commercial hazardous waste facilities were built, as well as the demographic changes that occurred afterward. Their analysis looked at 319 commercial hazardous waste treatment, storage and disposal facilities sited in the United States from 1966 to 1995.

The researchers found “a consistent pattern over a 30-year period of placing hazardous waste facilities in neighborhoods where poor people and people of color live.” Racial discrimination in zoning and the housing market, along with siting decisions based on following the path of least resistance, may best explain present-day inequities, they concluded.
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https://news.umich.edu/targeting-minori ... ste-sites/

[Some Schmo]

More regarding systemic racism, with regard to toxic waste sites...

Pretty sure the Flint water situation was not just an example of systemic racism, but also an attempt at ethnic cleansing.

[canpakes]

Pretty sure the Flint water situation was not just an example of systemic racism, but also an attempt at ethnic cleansing.

Speaking of bad water …

From https://www.ehn.org/amp/pollution-pover ... 2645571858

… One in 10 Californians in two major agricultural regions pays high rates for well water that's laced with nitrates, pesticides and other pollutants. Most are low-income Latinos; many speak only Spanish.

Public health researcher Carolina Balazs suspected that nitrate-tainted water was an environmental justice problem, so she examined the contamination along with income and ethnicity in small public water systems in eight counties of the San Joaquin Valley.

She found that nearly 5,200 people had drinking water that exceeded federal nitrate standards, and half were Latino. Another 449,000, more than 40 percent Latino, had medium levels that ranged from just under the limit to half the maximum allowed.

"It was in the small systems with highly Latino populations where the nitrate levels were the highest," said Balazs, lead author of research at the University of California, Berkeley that was published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives in September, 2011.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency considers the water systems in East Orosi, nearby Seville and seven other Tulare County towns "serious violators" of federal safe drinking water standards. In the past three years, these systems exceeded safety levels for coliform bacteria, nitrates, or arsenic at least nine times. East Orosi and Seville violated nitrate standards 12 times.
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[canpakes]

From. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/9/7/2 ... ade-unions

Excerpt:

As nation fights systemic racism, report finds pattern of exclusion in Illinois trade unions

Activists called it a “No Labor Day” event, gathering with unemployed Black men and women Monday as they unveiled appalling diversity statistics in a new report that turns a spotlight on systemic racism within trade unions, specifically, those operating in Illinois.

“These statistics are shocking,” said U.S. Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill., at the news conference with Chicago Black United Communities, the stalwart South Side organization founded by the legendary Lu Palmer.

CBUC brought the issue into prominence as far back as the 1970s by shutting down construction sites.

Based on U.S. Department of Labor statistics from 1999-2018, the CBUC report finds apprenticeship programs of 62 Illinois trade unions remain mostly white — five of them completely segregated; 15 with less than 20% persons of color; and 13 with 20 to 30% persons of color.

“I couldn’t believe that in the year 2020, after all the marching, all the demonstrations, there are still unions that have frozen out African Americans. I had to get a magnifying glass to make sure I was seeing these numbers right,” said Davis, who called for federal and state hearings, reaching out to the Department of Labor and Office of Civil Rights.

“We’re going to have to do something about it. Don’t tell us there is no room at the inn, because if there’s no room, then we just have to kick the door down and come on in anyway. I’m tired of seeing young men on my block standing around with nothing to do, because they can’t get into these trade unions.”

Davis, who turned 79 on Sunday, has long battled the issue since his days as an alderman, alongside Palmer, current CBUC Chairman Eddie Read and Soft Sheen founder Ed Gardner. Such efforts advanced under former Mayor Harold Washington in the 1980s, then fell off.

Apprenticeship programs in Illinois for asphalt paving machine operator, rough carpenter, gas utility worker, stained-glass glazier, industrial coating painter, sign painter and sprinkling fitter are glaringly all-white, the report said.

Trades like boilermaker, electric meter installer, electrician, elevator constructor, glazier, heating and air-conditioning installer, HVAC, line installer, maintenance mechanic, millwright, operating engineer, pipe fitter, plumber, sheet metal worker, structural steel worker and welder include less than 20% persons of color.

Some of the unemployed at Monday’s event are certified in skill trades but hit brick walls in seeking union work. Others were unable to apply for the apprenticeships that lead to living-wage careers.

“I’m just disgusted, angered that we’re still fighting for something we were fighting for in the ’90s, when my mother was alive,” said Guana Stamps, 55, of Humboldt Park, whose three sons are seeking pathways to becoming electricians or plumbers.
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[Icarus]

Worth mentioning that Cult's FOX Newsesque take on Systemic Racism doesn't address let alone negate any of the bullet points presented in this thread proving it exists.