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Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:47 am


Isn't everyone in Great Britain vaccinated? What has to happen before you stop wearing a mask or is this forever?
I may wear a mask in certain settings for the rest of my life.
And this will continue to drive the Trumper Karens insane. Be prepared for real life outraged coming your way by the people who think like ajax.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
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Are masks mandatory in Great Britain. As Kishkumen pointed out, hardly anyone wears a mask in Florida anymore. I noticed that even the anti Trump Karen I posted in another thread wasn't wearing her mask.
I think England dropped their mandate. Scotland postponed dropping their mandate as the Omicron variant began to rise. The video with anti Trump lady was taken before the pandemic. Florida is going full FAFO with the next wave.

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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:47 pm
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:35 pm


I think England dropped their mandate. Scotland postponed dropping their mandate as the Omicron variant began to rise. The video with anti Trump lady was taken before the pandemic. Florida is going full FAFO with the next wave.

What's FAFO stand for?
F*** Around and Find Out.
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:10 pm
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:37 pm


I may wear a mask in certain settings for the rest of my life.
And this will continue to drive the Trumper Karens insane. Be prepared for real life outraged coming your way by the people who think like ajax.
I'm beyond caring. We no longer have a mask mandate, but I wear one in all indoor public locations. I haven't received so much as an odd look. I just smile and nod.
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I have no problem with people wearing a mask in most situations. I have a problem with myself and my kids being forced to wear a mask forever. I'll offer tape to anyone who wants to wear the mask for a refraction.
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I have no problem with people wearing a mask in most situations. I have a problem with myself and my kids being forced to wear a mask forever. I'll offer tape to anyone who wants to wear the mask for a refraction.
Even if mask requirements were reintroduced, it would be during a surge, with the restrictions dropped after the peak. That could well continue until COVID becomes actually endemic, instead of us pretending it is endemic.
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I have no problem with people wearing a mask in most situations. I have a problem with myself and my kids being forced to wear a mask forever. I'll offer tape to anyone who wants to wear the mask for a refraction.
No one has ever forced you to wear a mask. Ever. Private businesses may require you to do so if you want to enter their stores, but you don't have a right to enter their stores against their policy. You have the option of going home and ordering your food via delivery or your items via amazon. You sound like a pathetic whiner acting like this has been some kind of huge infringement on your freedoms. You're alluding to freedoms you only thought you had, but never did. That's not our fault. Again, you need to watch more CNN to stay up to speed with reality.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:04 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:17 pm
I have no problem with people wearing a mask in most situations. I have a problem with myself and my kids being forced to wear a mask forever. I'll offer tape to anyone who wants to wear the mask for a refraction.
Even if mask requirements were reintroduced, it would be during a surge, with the restrictions dropped after the peak. That could well continue until COVID becomes actually endemic, instead of us pretending it is endemic.
Personally I'm convinced the efficacy of masks has been diminished substantially with the virus mutating the way it has, and this likely plays into some of the mitigation pullbacks that we've been seeing. With Omicron they're saying it is nearly as contagious as the measles, so if you're on a plane or in a restaurant and someone has it, you're likely going to get it to whether masked or not. The purpose of the mask was to reduce the chances of spread by blocking most of the droplets that are dispersed during coughing and sneezing. That provided significant mitigation during the first phase of the pandemic, but with Omicron it travels more like an aerosol.

The silver lining in all this is that it is a much milder form.

But at the end of the day all of this would be irrelevant if everyone would drop their paranoid fantasies and get vaccinated. If we could get vaccination rates up to 85% that would provide the herd immunity we've been shooting for ever since COVID broke.
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The Economy Is Good, Actually

Americans are living through the best labor market in half a century. Pay for low-wage workers is up. Why can’t the left take credit?

By Zachary D. Carter

We are living through the best labor market in 50 years. The U.S. economy created 467,000 jobs in January, more than triple the 125,000 that economists had anticipated. According to the most recent data, the economy created 700,000 more jobs at the end of last year than previously believed. Workers are leaving their jobs for greener pastures at record levels, organized labor is enjoying a resurgence of worker power unseen in a generation, and pay for low-wage workers is up even after adjusting for inflation.

Compared with the federal government’s response to the 2008 financial crisis, the recovery from the COVID-19 crash has been an extraordinary success. It took more than a decade after the onset of the previous recession for the unemployment rate to fall back to 4 percent, the level where it stands today. Even this figure understates the gap between the Great Recession and the pandemic-era economy. Most of the jobs created after the 2008 crisis paid poverty wages, and the country never recovered all of the manufacturing jobs it lost. Today, manufacturing jobs have nearly returned to their pre-pandemic levels amid a burst of onshoring activity across different industries. The stunning jobs numbers over the past two months were secured as the Omicron variant damaged commercial activity across the country.

It remains difficult to find intellectuals or policy makers eager to take credit for these triumphs. This silence is especially noticeable on the left, which can reasonably claim much of the change in approach as its own. The federal government spent far more money over the course of the pandemic than it did in response to the 2008 crash, and spent more of that money on ordinary families. The child-tax-credit expansion unveiled by President Joe Biden in early 2021 cut child poverty in half all by itself, never mind the hardships averted by expanded unemployment benefits and stimulus checks.

The primary rationale for this reluctance to declare victory is not a secret: Many Americans are pretty miserable at the moment. The pandemic itself is a grief machine, and most of the efforts that households and governments can take to mitigate the coronavirus’s spread are extremely frustrating. Biden’s approval rating has been in the toilet since the summer, and reached new lows last month. The collapse of Biden’s Build Back Better agenda, which was sabotaged by two senators in the president’s own party, has not helped his cause, and neither has his administration’s clunky and at times bizarre response to the pandemic itself.

But most of the conversation about the economy today is not about manufacturing jobs, strike activity, or quit rates. It’s about inflation. And wage growth across the pandemic is much less impressive when you focus on the past six months or so of consumer-price data. Inflation-adjusted wages are actually up since the first quarter of 2020, but they were down 2.4 percent over the course of 2021. (Even this data point carries a silver lining, though: Workers in the bottom third of the income distribution still enjoyed modest wage gains last year, a break with recent trends in which wage growth has been concentrated at the top.) Polling consistently indicates that voters loathe inflation. In 2013, when inflation was nonexistent, a majority of Americans cited inflation as “a very big problem.” It is less popular today.

Just why inflation remains a problem is a matter of intense debate among economists, but virtually everyone accepts two premises. First, the pandemic is a major cause of rising prices. Shutting down whole sectors and then starting them up again creates all sorts of disruptions and bottlenecks that lead to shortages, which in turn lead to price increases. Second, the higher prices created by those shortages are exacerbated by robust consumer purchasing power. How much of either factor—high household demand or bad bottlenecks—is responsible for the problem remains under dispute, but it seems likely that inflation will not dissipate until the supply-chain issues are resolved. In the meantime, any good economic news—more jobs, better pay—will put at least some upward pressure on prices. People are reluctant to claim credit for the recovery because they are reluctant to accept blame for inflation.

They shouldn’t be. Highlighting the strength of the job market may or may not be a winning message for politicians, but it’s essential for understanding both the calamity we avoided and how to respond to inflation going forward. The conventional response to rising prices—higher interest rates from the Federal Reserve, withdrawing fiscal stimulus—may well bring prices down, but it will do so by attacking the incomes of ordinary Americans, particularly those at the edges of the labor market. Given Senate gridlock, this may well be the best that policy makers can do with the tools available to them. But it is not the only way to deal with rising prices. An excess-profits tax on businesses is one; rent control for families is another. Both have the advantage of avoiding a direct hit to consumer pocketbooks.

The Great Recession was a generational cataclysm for the American middle class. The COVID-19 recession has not been, because policy makers have prioritized the benefits of a high-demand economy over the risk of moderately rising prices. They should not be ashamed of their success.
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K Graham wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:27 pm
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:04 pm


Even if mask requirements were reintroduced, it would be during a surge, with the restrictions dropped after the peak. That could well continue until COVID becomes actually endemic, instead of us pretending it is endemic.
Personally I'm convinced the efficacy of masks has been diminished substantially with the virus mutating the way it has, and this likely plays into some of the mitigation pullbacks that we've been seeing. With Omicron they're saying it is nearly as contagious as the measles, so if you're on a plane or in a restaurant and someone has it, you're likely going to get it to whether masked or not. The purpose of the mask was to reduce the chances of spread by blocking most of the droplets that are dispersed during coughing and sneezing. That provided significant mitigation during the first phase of the pandemic, but with Omicron it travels more like an aerosol.

The silver lining in all this is that it is a much milder form.

But at the end of the day all of this would be irrelevant if everyone would drop their paranoid fantasies and get vaccinated. If we could get vaccination rates up to 85% that would provide the herd immunity we've been shooting for ever since COVID broke.
There is no one single step -- even vaccination -- that will solve the COVID problem. With Omicron, the protection provided by cloth face coverings was low. Surgical masks were better, expectably if the ear loops were knotted to make a tighter fit. N95s and KN 95s provided a much better reduction of transmission. I think mask mandates were dropped because the cases were falling, compliance with mandates was shrinking, and state and local governments were tired of dealing with hostile constituents. As many local public health officials decided, after so many death threats, it just isn't worth it.

We are starting a surge with B.2.a. If we're like England, hospitalizations will peak around where Omicron did. If we're like Scotland, hospitalizations will be higher. Given the ability to infect the same person multiple times, herd immunity may not be achievable at all.
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