Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Moscow would gain most from a Republican victory, the paper states. This could lead to a “social explosion” that would in turn weaken the US president, it says. There were international benefits from a Trump win, it stresses. Putin would be able in clandestine fashion to dominate any US-Russia bilateral talks, to deconstruct the White House’s negotiating position, and to pursue bold foreign policy initiatives on Russia’s behalf, it says.



Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russia’s spy agencies and author of The Red Web, said the leaked material “reflects reality”.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Soldatov

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So, this confirms Russia knew what sane Americans already knew in 2016: Trump was bad for America and good for despots.
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Putin got his wish in abundance in that Trump sabotaged the view of America in the eyes of the world.
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Whether or not this is true (and I'm strongly inclined to believe it) there can be no reasonable doubt that Trump's election worked out in Putin's favor. By many indications and international polls, our country has lost a lot of the respect, influence and trust that it had in the eyes of the rest of the world, including our allies, that it had before the election of Trump. It would certainly explain the deference Trump has shown to Putin, and his reluctance to contradict or criticize Putin, no matter what he does or says. I get the strong impression that most of Trump's sycophantic base has been conditioned to go along with anything Trump advocates, including even political capitulation to Putin.
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Gunnar wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:05 pm
By many indications and international polls, our country has lost a lot of the respect, influence and trust that it had in the eyes of the rest of the world, including our allies, that it had before the election of Trump.
Unfortunately that is the case.

Bye the bye, then man Trump called 'Britain Trump' is still in office, and busy doing his best to make sure the reputation of his country for integrity and even common sense follows that of the US down the tubes ...
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Chap wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:54 am
Bye the bye, then man Trump called 'Britain Trump' is still in office, and busy doing his best to make sure the reputation of his country for integrity and even common sense follows that of the US down the tubes ...
That is sad indeed. Is there any indication that his popularity and influence in the UK is beginning to wane so that he may soon find himself out of office? He is not quite as bad as Trump, though. For one thing, he is not as adamantly and stupidly dismissive of the dangers of climate change as Trump is.
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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:18 am
Chap wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:54 am
Bye the bye, then man Trump called 'Britain Trump' is still in office, and busy doing his best to make sure the reputation of his country for integrity and even common sense follows that of the US down the tubes ...
That is sad indeed. Is there any indication that his popularity and influence in the UK is beginning to wane so that he may soon find himself out of office? [..]
He is indeed beginning to lose the effects of what has been called the 'vaccine boost' - the rise in popularity of the government following the considerable success of the National Health Service in vaccinating a large proportion of the population quite rapidly.

This kind of disclosure from his estranged former chief advisor is not helping him:

Dominic Cummings tells BBC Johnson denied Covid would overwhelm NHS
Former aide says Boris Johnson held out on October lockdown because those ‘dying are essentially all over 80’

Boris Johnson denied the NHS would be overwhelmed and said he was not prepared to lock down the country to save people in their 80s, texting his adviser “get Covid and live longer,” according to new WhatsApp messages released by Dominic Cummings.

In his first TV interview, the prime minister’s former chief adviser said Johnson held out on reimposing Covid restrictions because “the people who are dying are essentially all over 80.”

This bit about the Queen is particularly indicative of his behaviour in times of crisis:
In the BBC interview, Cummings claims that he had to stop Boris Johnson going to see the Queen in person at the beginning of the Covid pandemic, when staff in Number 10 were already falling ill and the prime minister had already instructed the public to avoid all unnecessary contact, especially with elderly people.

“I said, what are you doing, and he said, I’m going to see the Queen and I said, what on earth are you talking about, of course you can’t go and see the Queen. He said, ah, that’s what I do every Wednesday, sod this, I’m gonna go and see her,” Cummings said.

Downing Street denied that this incident took place. Buckingham Palace declined to comment.

Cummings said he eventually convinced Johnson not to take the risk. “I said to him, there’s people in this office who are isolating, you might have coronavirus, I might have coronavirus, you can’t go and see the Queen. What if you go and see her and give the Queen coronavirus?

“You obviously can’t go … I just said if you, if you give her coronavirus and she dies what, what are you gonna, you can’t do that, you can’t risk that, that’s completely insane. And he said, he basically just hadn’t thought it through, he said, yeah, ‘holy crap, I can’t go.’”
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Chap wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:58 pm
This bit about the Queen is particularly indicative of his behaviour in times of crisis:
In the BBC interview, Cummings claims that he had to stop Boris Johnson going to see the Queen in person at the beginning of the Covid pandemic, when staff in Number 10 were already falling ill and the prime minister had already instructed the public to avoid all unnecessary contact, especially with elderly people.

“I said, what are you doing, and he said, I’m going to see the Queen and I said, what on earth are you talking about, of course you can’t go and see the Queen. He said, ah, that’s what I do every Wednesday, sod this, I’m gonna go and see her,” Cummings said.

Downing Street denied that this incident took place. Buckingham Palace declined to comment.

Cummings said he eventually convinced Johnson not to take the risk. “I said to him, there’s people in this office who are isolating, you might have coronavirus, I might have coronavirus, you can’t go and see the Queen. What if you go and see her and give the Queen coronavirus?

“You obviously can’t go … I just said if you, if you give her coronavirus and she dies what, what are you gonna, you can’t do that, you can’t risk that, that’s completely insane. And he said, he basically just hadn’t thought it through, he said, yeah, ‘holy crap, I can’t go.’”
Yet, this points out another difference between the two that sort of favors Johnson. I can't quite imagine Trump ever backing down like that and admitting he was wrong about anything.

In your opinion, are Boris Johnson's core supporters in the UK as impervious to reason in the face of mounting evidence of malfeasance and corruption as are Trump's core supporters? And would Johnson be anywhere near as adamant as Trump is that the election was fraudulently stolen from him, should he lose the next election? And is there any chance that he would ever try to incite a Jan 6 type insurrection in order to stay in office? Is he anywhere near as demonstrably stupid and ignorant as Trump?
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I can’t tell if Boris Johnson is thick as pig crap or just so amoral that he weasels his way into situations as a useful tool of powerful people, and he has zero shred of any sense of shame that allows him to just traipse along in life until he finds himself as Britain’s Prime Minister. It’s incredible. He’s like, “I’ll just bang on until someone stops me. Huh. I’m Prime Minister now.”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:38 am
I can’t tell if Boris Johnson is thick as pig crap or just so amoral that he weasels his way into situations as a useful tool of powerful people, and he has zero shred of any sense of shame that allows him to just traipse along in life until he finds himself as Britain’s Prime Minister. It’s incredible. He’s like, “I’ll just bang on until someone stops me. Huh. I’m Prime Minister now.”

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From what I have seen of him it seems to me that, compared to Trump, Boris Johnson is not nearly as stupid or uneducated. I do think he is clearly amoral and corrupt, though Trump exceeds him even in that. I don't think Trump holds a candle to Boris in cognizant ability or educational attainments.
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