Arrogant Assholes of the Code world - Geeks Only Discussion

[_asbestosman]

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I agree. I think that the problem is, most programmers who are "wet behind the ears", fresh out of school do not have a business background.

Exactly. Add to that an aire of contempt for stepping outside the box and you have a recipe for false complacency.

What do you think could be a resolution to this gap?

We should invent a new uber programming language and call it adamic.

More seriously, I think that internships can help. Even that will leave out some important experiences. For me a huge wake-up call was when I had to help support my products after they shipped. Another thing that took some time to learn is that good ideas from a product standpoint are not always good ideas from a schedule standpoint. Even harder to learn is in knowing which features are worth fighting for and which ones really do need to be cut to meet a schedule. I don't think you can really learn those things in school.

[_Yoda]

Even harder to learn is in knowing which features are worth fighting for and which ones really do need to be cut to meet a schedule. I don't think you can really learn those things in school.

Amen to that!

;)

[_Mercury]

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I agree. I think that the problem is, most programmers who are "wet behind the ears", fresh out of school do not have a business background.

Exactly. Add to that an aire of contempt for stepping outside the box and you have a recipe for false complacency.

What do you think could be a resolution to this gap?

Educate coders to think like entrepeneurs, require (more) business courses for CS students, slap them with a *NIX manual or two.

It comes down to three things: Process Process and Process

[_Scottie]

Since we're talking IT here, I need some help!!

We are in the process of doing our own offsite backups. We were using an offsite provider, but it was like $3000 a year!

I figure we can do it ourselves for a couple hundred bucks to our Indy office.

However, I've tried several backup software solutions and they are all CRAP!!

I've tried GenieSoft, Symantec Backup Exec, UltraBac, and one other one I can't remember the name of...

Do you guys know of any other ones I can try??

We basically have a VPN connection between our Utah and Indy locations, so it would be just as though I were backing it up to a network drive.

[_Mercury]

Since we're talking IT here, I need some help!!

We are in the process of doing our own offsite backups. We were using an offsite provider, but it was like $3000 a year!

I figure we can do it ourselves for a couple hundred bucks to our Indy office.

However, I've tried several backup software solutions and they are all CRAP!!

I've tried GenieSoft, Symantec Backup Exec, UltraBac, and one other one I can't remember the name of...

Do you guys know of any other ones I can try??

We basically have a VPN connection between our Utah and Indy locations, so it would be just as though I were backing it up to a network drive.

Step 1: establish an SSH session between teh backup server and the server being backed up

step 2: use rsync

step 3: throw a script into CRON to do it for you when you need it

If u are not using *NIX hang up your IT hat and cry yourself to sleep :)

[_Scottie]

And after I cry myself to sleep, I still need to backup my files...

Edited to add:

Now wait a minute!! Weren't you just bitching about developers being SOOOO closed minded thinking that THEIR ideas were the best???

[_asbestosman]

In windows:

VPN is basically the equivalent of SSH. For extra functionality you might need remote desktop (mstsc)

You can often find Windows versions of *NIX utilities if you look (bsdiff, sdelta). If nothing ele, you can use cygwin. Actually, I imagine there are windows utilities for delta backups, but I don't know what.

AT is basically the equivalent of CRON. The GUI version is Task Scheduler.