New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:41 pm
Imagine what it will be like when all the MAGAs show their true feelings and all of the people that are sympathetic to democracy show their true feelings. Seems like we are definitely heading in that direction.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:25 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:51 pm


You might as well just call them all a bunch of cxxts, you know you want to. Cmon, c'mon, you know you want to!
Just calling them willfully and dangerously ignorant suffices, as far as I'm concerned.
Oh yeah!! You Progressives are the smartest people on the planet. No doubt!! I wish everyone could be as smart as you guys, just think of all the possibilities. If everyone was progressive, maybe we could go ahead an appoint one individual to oversee all thought and feelings. I nominate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!! That way, if anyone gets out of line and starts going rogue by thinking for themselves, we could have a facility may be way out in the Sahara Desert, somewhere we could send them so they could be reprogrammed and brought back in line with progressive thought. If that doesn't work, we could just send them somewhere they could live out the remainder of their lives. Ohohohohohoh!! I know!! Let's make everyone move away from Australia and we can send anyone who doesn't think like a progressive there. You know!! Make Australia a big jail for all the stubborn conservatives. That way all of the progressive, Marxist, and socialist can have the rest of the world to themselves and live out their fairytale dream life of everyone being 100% equal in every aspect of life. everyone could have the same amount of money no matter how hard they work or don't work. Everyone could just have one kid, you know, to save the planet. Everyone would have to dedicate three hours a day to save the planet. Everyone would have to turn off all electricity to their house for 6 hours a day to save the planet. Everyone could ride a bike to work. Whenever there's a virus that comes along everyone could stay in their houses for 2 years until it goes away. Make it mandatory to protest on highways and busy streets at least twice a year. Everyone would have to read Dr Robin diangelo books till the day they die. Everyone would have to rail against religion until they become so depressed they have to be put on medication. Everyone would have to take classes to learn how to always look into the past so we know how to blame dead people for our miserable lives. And so on and so on.
There!!! You feel better now!?!?!
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Atlanticmike wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:41 am
I wish everyone could be as smart as you guys,
So: if someone opines strongly on a current issue of public importance, and it is clear that the views they express bear little or no relation to well-established facts (and I'm talking about pretty basic things here, no quantum mechanics), how can one point that out without provoking your 'Ha! Mr Know it all! Think you're so clever!" response?

Something like that occurred recently in the case of the disastrous floods in Germany, caused by unprecedented levels of rainfall that are clearly linked to the heating of the atmosphere making it able to carry much bigger loads of water vapour than before. The German Green Party felt obliged to say nothing about this acknowledged scientific fact, for fear of being accused of being the Besserwisserpartei, - a party of know-it-all - or being accused of 'politicising a tragedy'

Germany’s Greens cautious over linking floods to climate crisis
Party leaders hope public will draw its own conclusions from last week’s catastrophic floods


Imagine that when the Titanic started to sink, people on the ship turned on someone who said 'The ship is sinking because we hit an iceberg' and accused them of something along those lines ... the only problem is that our Titanic is the whole damn planet.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Newly released notes show Trump pressured DOJ to declare election was 'corrupt'

According to Donoghue's notes, Rosen told Trump that the Justice Department had no power to reverse the outcome of the election.

"Understand that the DOJ can't + won't snap its fingers + change the outcome of the election, doesn't work that way," said Rosen, according to the notes.

"Don't expect you to do that, just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," Trump replied, per the notes.

At another point in the call, the notes showed Rosen and Donoghue trying to convince Trump that his allegations of voter fraud were false.

"Sir we have done dozens of investig., hundreds of interviews, major allegations are not supported by evid. developed," Donoghue told Trump, per the notes. "We are doing our job. Much of the information you're getting is false."

Trump however would not be swayed.

"'We have an obligation to tell people that this was an illegal, corrupt election," he said, according to the notes.

"These handwritten notes show that President Trump directly instructed our nation's top law enforcement agency to take steps to overturn a free and fair election in the final days of his presidency," House Oversight Committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney said in a statement. "The Committee has begun scheduling interviews with key witnesses to investigate the full extent of the former President's corruption, and I will exercise every tool at my disposal to ensure all witness testimony is secured without delay."

The release of the notes comes days after the Justice Department determined that six former Trump Justice Department officials, including Rosen and Donoghue, can participate in Congress' investigation.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:15 pm
Looks like we need a dictionary lesson on defining words like "Proves", "more", and "Treason".
Treason: the crime of betraying one's country (i.e. his comments in Helsinki)

Prove: demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument (i.e. as I have done with systemic racism and Trump's moral depravity)

Any questions?
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:17 pm
Icarus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:10 pm
[Biden's] Justice Department determined that six former Trump Justice Department officials
You do see the irony here, right? You are not that stupid you are just choosing to be obtuse?
Enter Exhibit A as to why you're not a serious person. You didn't even read the article, but rather mined one line out of it and ignored the fact that these notes come directly from the people who were working for Trump. You're also oblivious to the fact that the Justice Dept is to be completely independent from the Executive, despite Trump's numerous attempts to weaponize it for his purposes. Biden told the Justice Dept many months ago that he expects them to act independently and he has no intention of recommending to them investigations into his predecessor.

And someone needs a dictionary lesson on irony apparently.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Atlanticmike wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:41 am
Gunnar wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:25 pm

Just calling them willfully and dangerously ignorant suffices, as far as I'm concerned.
Oh yeah!! You Progressives are the smartest people on the planet. No doubt!! I wish everyone could be as smart as you guys, just think of all the possibilities. If everyone was progressive, maybe we could go ahead an appoint one individual to oversee all thought and feelings. I nominate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!! That way, if anyone gets out of line and starts going rogue by thinking for themselves, we could have a facility may be way out in the Sahara Desert, somewhere we could send them so they could be reprogrammed and brought back in line with progressive thought. If that doesn't work, we could just send them somewhere they could live out the remainder of their lives. Ohohohohohoh!! I know!! Let's make everyone move away from Australia and we can send anyone who doesn't think like a progressive there. You know!! Make Australia a big jail for all the stubborn conservatives. That way all of the progressive, Marxist, and socialist can have the rest of the world to themselves and live out their fairytale dream life of everyone being 100% equal in every aspect of life. everyone could have the same amount of money no matter how hard they work or don't work. Everyone could just have one kid, you know, to save the planet. Everyone would have to dedicate three hours a day to save the planet. Everyone would have to turn off all electricity to their house for 6 hours a day to save the planet. Everyone could ride a bike to work. Whenever there's a virus that comes along everyone could stay in their houses for 2 years until it goes away. Make it mandatory to protest on highways and busy streets at least twice a year. Everyone would have to read Dr Robin diangelo books till the day they die. Everyone would have to rail against religion until they become so depressed they have to be put on medication. Everyone would have to take classes to learn how to always look into the past so we know how to blame dead people for our miserable lives. And so on and so on.
There!!! You feel better now!?!?!
All I can say to that post is thanks for once again for inadvertently demonstrating the truth of the very point you are trying to to dispute.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Gunnar wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 am
Atlanticmike wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:41 am


Oh yeah!! You Progressives are the smartest people on the planet. No doubt!! I wish everyone could be as smart as you guys, just think of all the possibilities. If everyone was progressive, maybe we could go ahead an appoint one individual to oversee all thought and feelings. I nominate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!! That way, if anyone gets out of line and starts going rogue by thinking for themselves, we could have a facility may be way out in the Sahara Desert, somewhere we could send them so they could be reprogrammed and brought back in line with progressive thought. If that doesn't work, we could just send them somewhere they could live out the remainder of their lives. Ohohohohohoh!! I know!! Let's make everyone move away from Australia and we can send anyone who doesn't think like a progressive there. You know!! Make Australia a big jail for all the stubborn conservatives. That way all of the progressive, Marxist, and socialist can have the rest of the world to themselves and live out their fairytale dream life of everyone being 100% equal in every aspect of life. everyone could have the same amount of money no matter how hard they work or don't work. Everyone could just have one kid, you know, to save the planet. Everyone would have to dedicate three hours a day to save the planet. Everyone would have to turn off all electricity to their house for 6 hours a day to save the planet. Everyone could ride a bike to work. Whenever there's a virus that comes along everyone could stay in their houses for 2 years until it goes away. Make it mandatory to protest on highways and busy streets at least twice a year. Everyone would have to read Dr Robin diangelo books till the day they die. Everyone would have to rail against religion until they become so depressed they have to be put on medication. Everyone would have to take classes to learn how to always look into the past so we know how to blame dead people for our miserable lives. And so on and so on.
There!!! You feel better now!?!?!
All I can say to that post is thanks for once again for inadvertently demonstrating the truth of the very point you your are trying to to dispute.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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Icarus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:10 pm
Newly released notes show Trump pressured DOJ to declare election was 'corrupt'

[...]

At another point in the call, the notes showed Rosen and Donoghue trying to convince Trump that his allegations of voter fraud were false.

"Sir we have done dozens of investig., hundreds of interviews, major allegations are not supported by evid. developed," Donoghue told Trump, per the notes. "We are doing our job. Much of the information you're getting is false."

Trump however would not be swayed.

"'We have an obligation to tell people that this was an illegal, corrupt election," he said, according to the notes.

[...]
Who are these naïve people who think it will do any good to (in effect) say to Trump "Sir, you know that thing that would be really favourable to you if it was true? Well, we've looked into it, and we are pretty sure that it isn't in fact true after all."

In Trump's head, the distinction 'true/not true' is nothing more nor less than 'what I want/ what I don't want'. The idea that there is a real world 'out there' in which there are things that are simply the case or not the case, and over which he has no control is simply not allowed into his head.
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Re: New Book Proves more Treason from Trump

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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:50 am
I do not think people expressing fear of Trump is the same as proof of treason.
The treason of Trump comes in many forms, but first and foremost comes in the form of trying to overthrow a democratic election and have himself appointed as a lifetime dictator. The second charge of this indictment should be in conspiring with a foreign power against the government of the United States. The third would be in turning the Republican party into a bunch of lying weenies.
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