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Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:07 am
by _richardMdBorn
Yep. The day after 9/11, as part of its "get tough" makeover, the Obama campaign is mocking John McCain for not using a computer, without caring why he doesn't use a computer. From the AP story about the computer illiterate ad:
"Our economy wouldn't survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats," [Obama spokesman Dan] Pfeiffer said. "It's extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief doesn't know how to send an e-mail."
Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "extraordinary." The reason he doesn't send email is that he can't use a keyboard because of the relentless beatings he received from the Viet Cong in service to our country. From the Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):
McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.
In a similar vein I guess it's an outrage that the blind governor of New York David Patterson doesn't know how to drive a car. After all, transportation issues are pretty important. How dare he serve as governor while being ignorant of what it's like to navigate New York's highways.
Update: Well, now the story is up on Drudge (You heard it here first!). Re: Mark's point about how the supposedly web-savvy Obama campaign can't handle Google, here's another story confirming he has difficulty using a keyboard. Ironically, it's from one of the most pro-Obama journalists out there, Jacob Weisberg, in an article in Slate in 2000:
"Six months ago, no one would have pegged McCain as the most cybersavvy of this year's crop of candidates. At 63, he is the oldest of the bunch and because of his war injuries, he is limited in his ability to wield a keyboard."
Now, in response to some angry criticism already coming in: Feh.
Some say, So what if he was handicapped? He could still learn how to send email.
Sure, but why would he? Bill Clinton sent two emails during his entire presidency and often admitted he didn't know squat about the internet.
One reader says "Steven Hawking knows how to use a computer!" Yes, because if he didn't he couldn't do his job or communicate. McCain, like Clinton, didn't have that problem. Here's a more sane version of t he same complaint:
You are ridiculous about this. While of course McCain probably can't type for long periods or in the manner in which many of us do, there are a tremendous amount of people that peck with just their index fingers. He also can surely use a mouse. How much typing do you really have to do to send emails and use the internet. Plus, when he was asked point blank about it he never said he couldn't type. I am sure he can't use a blackberry, but there are tons of people with far worse injuries than McCain that use a computer.
That's absolutely true, I'm sure. But they need to use computers to get through life. McCain doesn't. And the fact that he's not blaming his disability hardly sounds like a serious indictment. If he did blame his disability, many of the same folks yelling at me would be complaining that McCain's whining.
Now, I'd hardly be surprised if McCain could type for short stretches and all that. The point is, that it's perfectly understandable why he wouldn't get in the habit of it.
Oh one last point for now: Lord knows I think the chicken-hawk arguments are stupid. And I don't think the fact that Obama never served in the military should count against him in and of itself. But how stupid is it for the Obama campaign to claim that McCain is unqualified to be president because he can't grasp cyber-security issues based on the fact he has never sent an email when the McCain campaign can just as easily say Obama can't understand first order national security issues because he's never fired a rife, flown a plane, commanded men in battle, or faced an enemy? I mean which prepares someone to be commander in chief better, hitting "send" on AOL or fighting a war?
Update II: On the other hand: I don't know what to make of this interview with the New York Times. He sounds awfully web savvy in it, which makes the Obama ad sound unfair. And if you read it closely, it sounds like he knows how to surf with a mouse, but doesn't do much by way of typing.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:43 am
by _Bond James Bond
Politics aren't classy. Both sides. If you want classy politics prepare to support the loser.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:42 am
by _SUAS
Thank You very much
We are classy PEOPLE...
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:57 am
by _aussieguy55
Richard, i find it strange that Palin is involved in a church supports Holy Laughter. Do you?
http://www.alternet.org/rights/98703/ve ... au_church/Why did McCain dump his first wife? You know proverbs stay with the wife of your youth. All McCains mates have not. Murdoch(young chinese wife), Newt G (third wife) Guiliani (4th wife) all these represent small town values? This was a topic of the RNC.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 0h no i caught the spirit
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:49 pm
by _richardMdBorn
SUAS wrote:Thank You very much
We are classy PEOPLE...
Yes, it's very classy to attack a man for not sending out e-mails who can't type as a result of being tortured as a POW. It's not unexpected, though, from BHO.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:59 pm
by _richardMdBorn
aussieguy55 wrote:Why did McCain dump his first wife? You know proverbs stay with the wife of your youth. All McCains mates have not. Murdoch(young chinese wife), Newt G (third wife) Guiliani (4th wife) all these represent small town values?
McCain has admitted that it was a moral failing on his part (unlike Kerry??). Murdoch's not a politician; Newt's been out of office for almost a decade. Guiliani was rejected by the Republican party primarily because of his liberal views and slightly because of his marital history (he's on his third wife by the way).
Let's look a bit at some of the Democrats:
Ted Kennedy - lionized at the convention - left Mary Jo Kopechne to die in his car - she suffocated not drowned and he could have easily contacted authorities and possibly saved her.
Bill Clinton - there is credible evidence that he raped Juanita Broaddrick and abused many other women.
Barney Frank - enough said
That's far from a winning road for you to travel.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:33 am
by _Angus McAwesome
richardMdBorn wrote:Yes, it's very classy to attack a man for not sending out e-mails who can't type as a result of being tortured as a POW.
Funny, he seems to be able to use his hands just fine. I seriously doubt that his stay at the Hanoi Hilton is the reason why he can't use email. You have evidence of this POW torture induced malady that prevents him from typing yet allows him to still operate other things that require manual dexterity like... Writing with a pen? But yeah, I'm calling BS on that and chalking McCain's lack of typing (if he actually has a lack there) up to him not being proficient with a personal computer.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:15 am
by _Yoda
Not that I think it's really that important, but what evidence do we really have that McCain doesn't know how to use email?
Has McCain said that he didn't know how?
Also, certainly he could hire an assistant to handle correspondence, if he doesn't have one already.
It sounds like much ado about nothing to me.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:30 am
by _dartagnan
Funny, he seems to be able to use his hands just fine. I seriously doubt that his stay at the Hanoi Hilton is the reason why he can't use email. You have evidence of this POW torture induced malady that prevents him from typing yet allows him to still operate other things that require manual dexterity like... Writing with a pen? But yeah, I'm calling b***s*** on that and chalking McCain's lack of typing (if he actually has a lack there) up to him not being proficient with a personal computer.
Don't be a jackass
and an idiot. McCain's inability to type emails hase been published in the news long before he was a presidential candidate. And yes, it was explained then, as it is today, that this is due to his injuries as a POW.
Nobody said he wasn't "proficient with a personal computer" either.
Re: Obama's people are classy
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:32 am
by _Angus McAwesome
dartagnan wrote:Don't be a jackass and an idiot. McCain's inability to type emails hase been published in the news long before he was a presidential candidate. And yes, it was explained then, as it is today, that this is due to his injuries as a POW.
Don't be an idiot, Dart. By all means then, describe the specific medical condition he suffers from that was supposedly caused by torture as a POW that doesn't let him type yet still allows him to perform all sorts of tasks involving fine motor control with his hands hand fingers.
Like operating the buttons on a cell phone...

Or writing...

He can push the little buttons on a cell phone and he can wrap his fingers around and pen and write, but he can't type? BS until proven otherwise.
dartagnan wrote:Nobody said he wasn't "proficient with a personal computer" either.
And how exactly is he supposed to be proficient with a PC if he's unable to type, Dart? If you're going to buy into any old BS you get fed from the GOP at least type and make sure that BS is consistant before repeating it like a gullible little rube.