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Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:50 pm
by _bcspace
I tend to agree.....

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than that of foreign producers.

That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota’s Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit has done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But if this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the inevitable.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:31 pm
by _Analytics
I agree too. Romney is at his best when he isn't pandering to the religious right.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:25 am
by _Scottie
Maybe the execs in Detroit shouldn't take their 300 million dollar bonuses this year??

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:05 pm
by _Jason Bourne
This is classic Romney, the Romney I wanted to see as president, the Romney of pre presidential run and the Romney that disappeared for some time. Had we seen this Romney maybe he would be president now. Goodness knows we need him now with the economy where it is. Too bad ha pandered to the EV right who were some of the main ones to torpedo him.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:44 pm
by _asbestosman
I would like this Romney to come back in 4-8 years. I would also like to see the Republican party move more toward where Romney is. Unfortunately I don't think could ever be elected as president because he is Mormon. I really wish we could find someone else like him out there who would have the guts to do the right thing.

Bankruptcy, while painful, will probably help Detroit more in the long run. They will be able to renegotiate labor contracts and become more competitive with the world. I don't want to just throw the current workers under the bus though, so I'm hoping we can provide for them some other way.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:09 pm
by _Angus McAwesome
Now Detriot is trying to say bailing them out is a matter of national security. To bad the Big Three really don't have much to do with the defense industry anymore...

Linky

Car Makers say Bailout a Defense Issue
November 20, 2008
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - In an increasingly anxious campaign for a $25 billion government rescue, Detroit's Big Three car makers and their allies in Washington are warning the demise of the auto industry will damage U.S. national security.

That argument is a hard sell.

General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC long ago exited the defense business. While many of their suppliers also make the parts used on military vehicles and would be hit by the wave if one of the Big Three collapsed, defense experts see little immediate risk to the armed forces beyond paying higher prices.

"It's a stretch, quite frankly," said retired Army Lt. Gen. John Caldwell, chairman of the National Defense Industrial Association's combat vehicles division. "I think they're grasping at straws."

Chrysler's chief executive, Robert Nardelli, told the Senate Banking Committee on Tuesday that a crippled auto industry "would undermine our nation's ability to respond to military challenges and would threaten our national security."

Auto executives are scheduled to testify before the House Financial Services Committee on Wednesday.

In a video posted on the Web earlier this week, General Motors said a devastated domestic auto industry would not just be an economic catastrophe "but a serious threat to national security." In the event of a major international conflict, the U.S. would have to rely on foreign companies to manufacture military equipment, the company said.

On Sunday, retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark pointed to the rapid production of mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles as evidence of what a healthy domestic automotive sector can do on short notice. Thousands of the so-called "MRAPs" that protect U.S. troops from roadside bombs have been built in the last few years and sent to Iraq, Clark wrote in The New York Times.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the influential chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the defense market alone isn't large enough to sustain most auto parts suppliers, making a strong commercial industry key to their survival.

TRW Automotive Holdings Corp., which also supplies parts for heavy-duty trucks used by the U.S. military, warned investors Oct. 30 in U.S. securities filings that the economic meltdown could further damage the auto industry, which could hurt its own sales or profit margins.

Cummins Engine, which makes diesel engines for the military, said it sells roughly 8 percent of its engines to Chrysler for use in Dodge Ram trucks. Cummins told investors in February that a decline in Chrysler truck production could hurt its sales.

And Detroit's research and development of batteries, alternative energy vehicles and lightweight materials all hold promise for the military. "These technologies are being developed primarily for the commercial industry, but can also help our troops in battle," Levin said Tuesday.

But the Big Three automakers had no role in making the hulking MRAPs, and the most innovative automotive technologies are coming from Toyota and Honda, not Detroit, said Dakota Wood, a retired Marine Corps officer and a military analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington.

"Is it in our best interest to have a robust commercial automotive industry? Absolutely," Wood said. "Would we prefer to have domestic innovation and production advantages? Of course. But I think the argument of propping up the Big Three as a national security imperative is marginal at best."

When the Pentagon needed MRAPs in a hurry, it turned to traditional defense companies like Force Protection in South Carolina, BAE Systems of Sealy, Texas, and General Dynamics Land Systems in Canada. Similarly, the Army and Marine Corps are buying a vehicle to replace the venerable Humvee and awarded contracts to manufacturers with heavy experience building military trucks.

"The defense sector has become so specialized that much of it is completely separate from the commercial sector," Wood said.

Democratic congressional leaders want to tap the $700 billion Wall Street rescue package for new loans to U.S. automakers and suppliers. But the White House and Republican lawmakers object. Instead, Republicans propose diverting $25 billion approved by Congress in September - intended to help auto manufacturers retool their factories so they can make more fuel-efficient vehicles - to cover the firms' immediate financial problems.

Auto executives and their supporters in Congress said another $25 billion in emergency loans is needed to prevent one or more of their companies from going under before year's end. That would mean $50 billion in total federal aid.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told Congress on Tuesday the administration remains opposed to using the financial bailout fund for the auto industry. At the same time, Paulson testified, "It would be not a good thing" if one of the auto companies failed.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:27 am
by _moksha
Hey, what was it the Auto Companies did to the much needed street car lines thoughout American cities? Wasn't it to put them out of business?

Maybe Ford or GM could get a contract retrofitting Hummers with heavy armor.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:40 am
by _ajax18
Had we seen this Romney maybe he would be president now.


Do you really believe that Jason? I'm not sure this isn't the beginning of the end for the Republican party and conservative values. Within 40 years this country will be no more pleasant to live in than any Latin American country. In fact, it won't be much different at all.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:36 am
by _Angus McAwesome
moksha wrote:Maybe Ford or GM could get a contract retrofitting Hummers with heavy armor.


They're not set up for it and the numbers of up-armored HMMWVs needed isn't nearly large enough for any of the Big Three to justify modifying existing production lines, let alone bulding new lines. The MRAP is build by several companies, none of which are part of the Big Three (largest contracter for the MRAP is International MaxxPro followed by BAE Systems and General Dynamics). The US Defense Industry is way to specialized these days for the Big Three to really be able to do much of anything usefull. They simply don't have the capabilities or range of expertise to do much beyond building civilian transportation.

Re: Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:43 am
by _ajax18
Woops, I take that part about the death of conservative values back. I've actually found a reason to watch CNN again. What could that be? Lou Dobbs, we really need to rally around this guy. Maybe I won't end up having to take over a large portion of the world after all. It would have been a very tough job, but sometimes you just run out of options.