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ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:47 pm
by _bcspace
Well, it's a good start:

The plan would also shrink the bureaucratic apparatus, in keeping with the government’s goal to effect $30 billion in “efficiency savings” in the health budget by 2014 and to reduce administrative costs by 45 percent. Tens of thousands of jobs would be lost because layers of bureaucracy would be abolished.

In a document, or white paper, outlining the plan, the government admitted that the changes would “cause significant disruption and loss of jobs.” But it said: “The current architecture of the health system has developed piecemeal, involves duplication and is unwieldy. Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.”


The health secretary, Andrew Lansley, also promised to put more power in the hands of patients. Currently, how and where patients are treated, and by whom, is largely determined by decisions made by 150 entities known as primary care trusts — all of which would be abolished under the plan, with some of those choices going to patients. It would also abolish many current government-set targets, like limits on how long patients have to wait for treatment.


Dr. Richard Vautrey, deputy chairman of the general practitioner committee at the British Medical Association, said general practitioners had long felt there were “far too many bureaucratic hurdles to leap” in the system, impeding communication. “In many places, the communication between G.P.’s and consultants in hospitals has become fragmented and distant,” he said.

The plan would also require all National Health Service hospitals to become “foundation trusts,” enterprises that are independent of health service control and accountable to an independent regulator (some hospitals currently operate in this fashion). This would result in a further loss of jobs, health care unions say, and also open the door to further privatization of the service.


Of course there's a wrench in the system:
The plan, with many elements that need legislative approval to be enacted, applies only to England; other parts of Britain have separate systems.


But like ObamaCare, Britain's System was nationalized without people understanding the effects and now a government has been elected in Britain that has the political will to propose such changes.

Britain Plans to Decentralize National Health Care

There's also good news on the Massachusetts/Romney Plan which ObamaCare is modelled after; good news that is, in the sense that we told you so:

Massachusetts Shows Federal Reform Headed For Trouble

All this shows once again that socialist/liberals can't learn the lessons of history and that they will put us on the same track that has failed for Europe.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:18 pm
by _Brackite
This is From one of the Press Releases, From U.S. Congressman Steve King of Iowa:


King Releases Updated List of House Members Seeking "Obamacare" Repeal


Washington D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) today announced that efforts to force the House of Representatives to vote on legislation providing for a 100% repeal of “Obamacare” continued to gain momentum, with the addition of the 153rd signature. Once the discharge petition reaches 218 signatures, Speaker Pelosi will not be able to prevent the repeal legislation from receiving, and passing, a vote on the floor.

“Efforts to repeal the deeply unpopular ‘Obamacare’ bill continue to gather momentum,” said King. “We now have 153 Members of the House of Representatives on record calling for full repeal of ‘Obamacare’, including Republican Leader Boehner, Republican Whip Cantor and GOP Conference Chairman Pence. I expect these numbers to continue to swell."

A list of Members who have signed on to the legislation (organized by state) has been provided below:

DISCHARGE PETITION #11 SIGNEES (UPDATED July 23, 2010)

Alabama: Aderholt, Bachus, Bonner, Griffith, Rogers

Alaska: -None-

Arizona: Flake, Franks, Shadegg

Arkansas: Boozman

California: Bilbray, Bono Mack, Calvert, Campbell, Dreier, Gallegly, Herger, Hunter, Issa, Lewis, Lungren, McCarthy, McClintock, McKeon, Miller, Nunes, Radanovich, Rohrabacher, Royce

Colorado: Coffman, Lamborn

Connecticut: -None-

Delaware: -None-

Florida: Bilirakis, Buchanan, Crenshaw, Mack, Mica, Miller, Posey, Rooney, Stearns, Young

Georgia: Broun, Gingrey, Graves, Kingston, Linder, Price, Westmorland

Hawaii: Djou

Idaho: Simpson

Illinois: Biggert, Johnson, Manzullo, Roskam, Schick, Shimkus

Indiana: Burton, Pence

Iowa: King, Latham

Kansas: Jenkins, Moran, Tiahrt

Kentucky: Davis, Guthrie, Rogers, Whitfield

Louisiana: Alexander, Cassidy, Fleming, Scalise

Maine: -None-

Maryland: Bartlett

Massachusetts: -None-

Michigan: Ehlers, Hoekstra, McCotter, Miller, Upton

Minnesota: Bachmann, Kline, Paulsen

Mississippi: Harper

Missouri: Akin, Blunt, Emerson, Graves, Luetkemeyer,

Montana: Rehberg

Nebraska: Fortenberry, Smith, Terry

Nevada: -None-

New Hampshire: -None-

New Jersey: Frelinghuysen, Garrett, Lance, LoBiondo, Smith

New Mexico: -None-

New York: Lee

North Carolina: Coble, Foxx, Jones, McHenry, Myrick

North Dakota: -None-

Ohio: Austria, Boehner, Jordan, Latta, Schmidt, Turner

Oklahoma: Cole, Fallin, Lucas, Sullivan

Oregon: Walden

Pennsylvania: Pitts, Platts, Shuster, Thompson

Rhode Island: -None-

South Carolina: Barrett, Brown, Inglis, Wilson

South Dakota: -None-

Tennessee: Blackburn, Duncan, Roe, Wamp

Texas: Brady, Carter, Conaway, Culberson, Gohmert, Granger, Hall, Hensarling, Johnson, Marchant, McCaul, Neugebauer, Olson, Paul, Poe, Sessions, Smith, Thornberry

Utah: Bishop, Chaffetz,

Vermont: -None-

Virginia: Cantor, Forbes, Goodlatte, Wittman, Wolf

Washington: Rodgers

West Virginia: -None-

Wisconsin: Ryan, Sensenbrenner

Wyoming: Lummis




Here is the Link to this Press Release:
http://steveking.house.gov/index.cfm?Fu ... e125be2d4d


Good for these 153 Members of Congress for wanting to fully Repeal the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:04 pm
by _bcspace
Good for these 153 Members of Congress for wanting to fully Repeal the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.


Inshallah.
lol

And yet again:

Britain Moves toward Doctor-Patient Control
National Review Online
By Grace-Marie Turner
July 27, 2010

Britain’s new coalition government is proposing a major transformation of its socialized health-care system to give doctors much more authority over decisions involving their patients’ care.

This most entrenched of government-run health systems is recognizing the importance of the doctor-patient relationship just as the United States is taking a sharp left turn toward more centralized government control over health care.

Is the world turning upside down?

The New York Times examines the plan “to shift control of England’s $160 billion annual health budget from a centralized bureaucracy to doctors at the local level,” calling it “the most radical reorganization of the National Health Service, as the system is called, since its inception in 1948.”

Currently, how and where patients are treated, and by whom, is largely determined by decisions made by 150 entities known as primary care trusts — all of which would be abolished under the plan, with some of those choices going to patients. It would also abolish many current government-set targets, like limits on how long patients have to wait for treatment.
Britain is trying to find a way to respond to the growing wave of consumerism sweeping Europe. Better-informed patients are demanding more control over health-care decisions and are increasingly fighting the authority of large, centralized bureaucracies to make decisions about their care.

Not surprisingly, the British government’s proposal is facing strong opposition from entrenched interests. “Many critics . . . doubt that general practitioners are the right people to decide how the health care budget should be spent,” the Times reports. One of these critics is David Furness of the Social Market Foundation, a London think tank. He calculates that the plan would make every general practitioner (GP) in London responsible for a $3.4 million budget. GPs would band together in regional consortia to buy services from hospitals and other providers.

“It’s like getting your waiter to manage a restaurant,” Furness said. “The government is saying that G.P.’s know what the patient wants, just the way a waiter knows what you want to eat. But a waiter isn’t necessarily any good at ordering stock, managing the premises, talking to the chef — why would they be? They’re waiters.”

He disparages doctors at his peril.

Under the proposed plan, hospitals would escape some of the bureaucratic micromanagement that binds them in red tape. They would become “foundation trusts” with much more independence, somewhat like charter schools in the U.S.

British health secretary Andrew Lansley is straightforward about the rationale for his proposal. His government’s white paper explains: “Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.”

Opponents are sounding alarms that the changes mean the terminally ill won’t get adequate care and that waiting times will be even longer for surgeries like knee and hip replacements.

There always is a risk with any government rationing system that more care will be provided to the healthy majority of patients who vote, leaving less for those who are older and sicker. But is it safer to give the relevant decision-making authority to doctors, or to bureaucrats and politicians? If there is less money for administrators, there will be more money for patients.

The labor unions and the bureaucrats are, of course, apoplectic about the loss of some of the bureaucratic jobs that have swallowed up most of the money from a tripling of the NHS budget since 1998.

Robin Durie, a senior lecturer in politics at the University of Exeter, wondered how the government would be able to “give patients more choice — a promise that seems to require a degree of administrative oversight — while cutting so many managers from the system?”

You can’t make this up. Britain’s coalition government is getting it right. Bureaucrats don’t deliver care; doctors do. Sixty-two years after the founding of the NHS, the British government recognizes it has no choice but to give doctors and patients more authority over health-care decisions.

The complex plan — which would affect only England — will need legislative approval to be enacted, but we should expect some version of it to pass, because it reflects a growing awakening in Europe to the importance of consumer control and choice.

For example, during a conference in Paris in late May, organized by the European Union of Private Hospitals, there was broad agreement about the value of consumer choice, competition, and portability in health care, and about the essential role that private providers play in European health care. More than 400 people attended the conference, including members of the European Union parliament, former health ministers, and many corporate CEOs.

John Bowis, former U.K. minister of health, spoke about the importance of allowing “patients to be partners in managing their care,” and stressed that “information is key to empowering patients.”

Throughout Europe, a network of private hospitals is growing. Government officials say private hospitals serve as a safety valve for public health systems; they allow people to escape waiting lines that would be even longer without their services. Many believe the private hospitals make public hospitals better by providing competition. How tragic, then, that the recently passed health-overhaul law in the U.S. effectively prohibits new physician-owned private hospitals from opening. Physician Hospitals of America has rightly filed suit, challenging these provisions.

Clearly, Europeans have come to these conclusions based upon long experience with government-controlled, bureaucratically run health systems. Such systems don’t work, especially with something as personal as health care. And yet, the U.S. has adopted “reforms” that will reduce genuine competition and put more control over health-care decisions in the hands of government bureaucrats.

We should also note that President Obama has bypassed the constitutionally required Senate confirmation process to put Dr. Don Berwick — who is in love with Britain’s socialized health-care system — in charge of implementing key parts of his health-overhaul law. When Berwick appears at some point before a congressional committee, members might want to ask him what he thinks about Britain’s move to give doctors and patients, not bureaucrats, more authority over health-care decisions.

As Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) said at a recent Galen Institute conference, Obamacare “will not stand.” The political system, the courts, or the American people — and probably all three — will get us back on the right path.

Re: Obama Care: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:14 pm
by _moksha
The most cost effective and efficient health care would be the Japanese model of one controlled system from start to finish. That way costs are able to be controlled and contained along the entire gamut of health care delivery. Much cheaper than what we are currently doing. If conservatives were not programmed to jump through the hoops of whomever is raking in profits, they would clamor for this cost cutting feature.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:23 pm
by _bcspace
The most cost effective and efficient health care would be the Japanese model of one controlled system from start to finish. That way costs are able to be controlled and contained along the entire gamut of health care delivery. Much cheaper than what we are currently doing. If conservatives were not programmed to jump through the hoops of whomever is raking in profits, they would clamor for this cost cutting feature.


I'm fairly certain you don't understand that system and if you did, you wouldn't be singing it's praises either. Their system is a little more private than Britain's was but redirected costs just like European socialism does until the piper has to be paid. They are now moving in that same direction Europe is begining to, away from socialism. So while Europe relearns the lessons of socialism (yet again) and begins to modify their system, Obama plunges us head-long into the failures of the past.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:52 pm
by _SoHo
I'm a little lost as to how my health care will be affected by the new health care regime in any way similar to the British system. I have and will continue to have private insurance with incredible flexibility as to the range of available health care options. That doesn't exist in the British system.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:11 am
by _moksha
bcspace wrote: Obama plunges us head-long into the failures of the past.


I am pretty sure the failure of the past was in having millions of Americans with absolutely no health care coverage.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:16 pm
by _Molok
Why does the government have to provide everyone with health care?

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:11 pm
by _SoHo
Government (in a democratic society - of which the US is mostly one) is intended to be the voice of the people - created by the people to govern the people. The people allocate to government certain responsibilities and rights. There are many things that fit obviously within the responsibilities of government - things that individuals cannot individually or collectively (other than through government) reasonably provide. Things like national defense, roads, police and fire services, etc. There are other things that the people have decided would best be managed by government - like education. Some view health care as one of those things. If the government provides emergency services for the person stuck in a house fire, why not health services for the person caught with an illness? Or so goes the argument.

Fundamentally - it's hard to argue that we should deprive the socio-economically disadvantaged of preventative health care that would reduce overall costs significantly. This is one of the factors in the broad support for government-funded child health care that exists virtually everywhere.

Re: ObamaCare: Britain to denationalize it's system

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:30 pm
by _Brackite
Brackite wrote:This is From one of the Press Releases, From U.S. Congressman Steve King of Iowa:


King Releases Updated List of House Members Seeking "Obamacare" Repeal


Washington D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) today announced that efforts to force the House of Representatives to vote on legislation providing for a 100% repeal of “Obamacare” continued to gain momentum, with the addition of the 153rd signature. Once the discharge petition reaches 218 signatures, Speaker Pelosi will not be able to prevent the repeal legislation from receiving, and passing, a vote on the floor.

“Efforts to repeal the deeply unpopular ‘Obamacare’ bill continue to gather momentum,” said King. “We now have 153 Members of the House of Representatives on record calling for full repeal of ‘Obamacare’, including Republican Leader Boehner, Republican Whip Cantor and GOP Conference Chairman Pence. I expect these numbers to continue to swell."

A list of Members who have signed on to the legislation (organized by state) has been provided below:

DISCHARGE PETITION #11 SIGNEES (UPDATED July 23, 2010)

Alabama: Aderholt, Bachus, Bonner, Griffith, Rogers

Alaska: -None-

Arizona: Flake, Franks, Shadegg

Arkansas: Boozman

California: Bilbray, Bono Mack, Calvert, Campbell, Dreier, Gallegly, Herger, Hunter, Issa, Lewis, Lungren, McCarthy, McClintock, McKeon, Miller, Nunes, Radanovich, Rohrabacher, Royce

Colorado: Coffman, Lamborn

Connecticut: -None-

Delaware: -None-

Florida: Bilirakis, Buchanan, Crenshaw, Mack, Mica, Miller, Posey, Rooney, Stearns, Young

Georgia: Broun, Gingrey, Graves, Kingston, Linder, Price, Westmorland

Hawaii: Djou

Idaho: Simpson

Illinois: Biggert, Johnson, Manzullo, Roskam, Schick, Shimkus

Indiana: Burton, Pence

Iowa: King, Latham

Kansas: Jenkins, Moran, Tiahrt

Kentucky: Davis, Guthrie, Rogers, Whitfield

Louisiana: Alexander, Cassidy, Fleming, Scalise

Maine: -None-

Maryland: Bartlett

Massachusetts: -None-

Michigan: Ehlers, Hoekstra, McCotter, Miller, Upton

Minnesota: Bachmann, Kline, Paulsen

Mississippi: Harper

Missouri: Akin, Blunt, Emerson, Graves, Luetkemeyer,

Montana: Rehberg

Nebraska: Fortenberry, Smith, Terry

Nevada: -None-

New Hampshire: -None-

New Jersey: Frelinghuysen, Garrett, Lance, LoBiondo, Smith

New Mexico: -None-

New York: Lee

North Carolina: Coble, Foxx, Jones, McHenry, Myrick

North Dakota: -None-

Ohio: Austria, Boehner, Jordan, Latta, Schmidt, Turner

Oklahoma: Cole, Fallin, Lucas, Sullivan

Oregon: Walden

Pennsylvania: Pitts, Platts, Shuster, Thompson

Rhode Island: -None-

South Carolina: Barrett, Brown, Inglis, Wilson

South Dakota: -None-

Tennessee: Blackburn, Duncan, Roe, Wamp

Texas: Brady, Carter, Conaway, Culberson, Gohmert, Granger, Hall, Hensarling, Johnson, Marchant, McCaul, Neugebauer, Olson, Paul, Poe, Sessions, Smith, Thornberry

Utah: Bishop, Chaffetz,

Vermont: -None-

Virginia: Cantor, Forbes, Goodlatte, Wittman, Wolf

Washington: Rodgers

West Virginia: -None-

Wisconsin: Ryan, Sensenbrenner

Wyoming: Lummis




Here is the Link to this Press Release:
http://steveking.house.gov/index.cfm?Fu ... e125be2d4d


Good for these 153 Members of Congress for wanting to fully Repeal the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.




It is now up to 170 Members of Congress for wanting to fully Repeal the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.

Here it is:

King Releases Updated List of House Members Seeking "Obamacare" Repeal


Washington D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) today announced that efforts to force the House of Representatives to vote on legislation providing for a 100% repeal of “Obamacare” continued to gain momentum, with the addition of the 170th signature. Once the discharge petition reaches 218 signatures, Speaker Pelosi will not be able to prevent the repeal legislation from receiving, and passing, a vote on the floor.


“Efforts to repeal the deeply unpopular ‘Obamacare’ bill continue to gather momentum,” said King. “We now have 170 Members of the House of Representatives on record calling for full repeal of ‘Obamacare’, including Republican Leader Boehner, Republican Whip Cantor and GOP Conference Chairman Pence. I expect these numbers to continue to swell."