Koran burning leads to eight deaths, two beheadings

[_Quasimodo]

An example of painful lunacy by the religious on both sides.


An excerpt from the LA Times:

After first promising to not burn the Koran, Florida Pastor Terry Jones sat as judge at a 'trial' for the holy book last month. The Koran was 'found guilty and a copy was burned,' a church press release said. That news apparently incited the attack on a U.N. compound.

Full article:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-koran-pastor-20110402,0,4120847.story

Pastor Terry Jones

[_Obiwan]

As slimey as what that Preacher did was, he actually kinda proved his point according to the Islamic reaction. A faith based on peace and love or really from God in any way wouldn't have a significant portion of it's followers be so blatantly evil acting.

I mean, one nutball preacher out of 100,000's and people go and kill a bunch of white people, most who aren't even American or likely even religious?

But anyway, he's clearly responsible for his actions, cause he was warned that this would be a likely reaction. He will burn right along with the rest of them that he hates on the other side, and he's clueless of this.

[_emilysmith]

It is indicative of their mindset, where they cannot even fathom criticism of their religion. There have even been calls to have the pastor extradited to Pakistan for blasphemy laws, which shows you how out of touch many Muslims are.

The question is, do we stop burning Qurans and make a clear statement that all Muslims can get what they want by killing people?

I think that would be very foolish. A while back, there was "Draw Mohammad Day" and the girl who originally had the idea... a simple exercise in the freedom of speech, had to change her identity and move at her own expense because of death threats,

How sad is it that our government bows down to Islamic extremism. Have the terrorists already won? It seems so.

[_Buffalo]

As slimey as what that Preacher did was, he actually kinda proved his point according to the Islamic reaction. A faith based on peace and love or really from God in any way wouldn't have a significant portion of it's followers be so blatantly evil acting.

I mean, one nutball preacher out of 100,000's and people go and kill a bunch of white people, most who aren't even American or likely even religious?

But anyway, he's clearly responsible for his actions, cause he was warned that this would be a likely reaction. He will burn right along with the rest of them that he hates on the other side, and he's clueless of this.

And with your last sentence you prove that you're just as much of a religious wacko as any of these people you're discussing.

[_Quasimodo]

As slimey as what that Preacher did was, he actually kinda proved his point according to the Islamic reaction. A faith based on peace and love or really from God in any way wouldn't have a significant portion of it's followers be so blatantly evil acting.

A quick read of Christian history shows pagans thrown to the lions in the Colosseum after Christianity became the official Roman religion (just like the early Christians were by the pagans).

The Crusades.

The Spanish Inquisition. Thousands were tortured and killed for not believing in Catholicism.

Pizarro's conquest of the Incas and the killing of thousands for the "Glory of God".

Protestants burned at the stake for heresy. Later, Catholics burned at the stake for the same reason.

Indians in South America forced into slavery because the Catholic church ruled that they were heathens and had no rights.

The instigation of the African slave trade for the same reason.

Poor, innocent women tortured and burned as witches in Europe and then tortured, hung or pressed to death in the American Colonies.

A genocide of the native people in North America sanctioned by many Christian churches because Native Americans were not Christian.

The sanctioning of slavery in the United States by many Christian churches.

Blood atonement and the Mountain Meadows Massacre (just to keep this in the spirit of this board).

The persecution and murder of Jews in Europe.

Catholics in Northern Ireland blowing up Protestants and vice versa.

This is by no means an exhaustive list.

I mean, one nutball preacher out of 100,000's and people go and kill a bunch of white people, most who aren't even American or likely even religious?

"White people"? Doesn't that sound just a smidge racist to you? Many of the people in Afghanistan are considered Caucasian.

But anyway, he's clearly responsible for his actions, cause he was warned that this would be a likely reaction. He will burn right along with the rest of them that he hates on the other side, and he's clueless of this.

I agree that he is clueless. If he is going to hell, he'll have lots of pious companions from all religions.

[_Joseph]

If we burn a Book of Mormon will tommy and he gang beat up the Pope?

[_Obiwan]

As slimey as what that Preacher did was, he actually kinda proved his point according to the Islamic reaction. A faith based on peace and love or really from God in any way wouldn't have a significant portion of it's followers be so blatantly evil acting.

I mean, one nutball preacher out of 100,000's and people go and kill a bunch of white people, most who aren't even American or likely even religious?

But anyway, he's clearly responsible for his actions, cause he was warned that this would be a likely reaction. He will burn right along with the rest of them that he hates on the other side, and he's clueless of this.

And with your last sentence you prove that you're just as much of a religious wacko as any of these people you're discussing.

I'm obviously speaking in a "scriptural" manner.... obviously moron. :(
I ascribe to nothing close ideologically speaking to either party. They are both nuts as I clearly said. Obviously then I wouldn't be included in that. But, you enjoy your degrading negative fantasy's of people and Faith, such clearly makes you happy, even if it's bigotry on display. :(

[_Quasimodo]

If we burn a Book of Mormon will tommy and he gang beat up the Pope?

Lets try it and see. :)

We could also throw in a Bible, a Torah, the Koran, the Mahabharata, the Upanishads, the Tao Te Ching, the Bardo Thodol and Kahlil Gibran's "The Prophet" just for kicks.

Just paper and ink. They would make a lovely fire.

There is a poignant moment in "The Razor's Edge" where Larry Darrell is sent to the top of a snow covered mountain with a stack of religious books to meditate. He was freezing to death and because there was no other fuel, he burned the books to keep warm. That was the point of sending him there.

[_Obiwan]

Quasimodo.... I'm well aware of the "bad" things done by religious in history including Christians, and it's one of the beginning reasons why I never thought the Catholic Church could possibly be the "true Church" on the earth.

I also know, that your "list" is the common atheist ignorant slam against Religion. I know for example that several of the issues you list such as the Crusades are not how you represent such with your drive-by list. I know that for many of the events, there were legitimate issues occuring at the time thus resulting in said actions. But, you are right, there have been wrong done in religion by everyone.

However, we are talking about TODAY.... And we are talking about something that is "prevalent" in a Faith, not "exceptions" to the general rule. It's just like with Christian anti-mormons. Anti-mormonism within Christianity is so prevalent, that it is just like fanatical Islam, it is an evil religion within a religion, which ultimately has roots and connections to the religion itself that creates such evil manifestations.

Also, when I said "white people", I was refering to how THEY view others, "I" wasn't being racist in the statement. Tell me then what was their standard for killing and hurting all those people? They were "white" and from the "West". That's what I was referring to.

Yes, bad people will have companions from all religions.... But, there is a significant problem when significant portions of a Faith are following down an evil path and ideology. These are simply exceptions to the rule, they are a significant block within the root ideoloy. To give another example, fundamentalist Mormons are an "exception" to the rule that is Mormonism. They are in NO WAY a significant block within Mormonism, they are a small fringe, but especially the ideologies they embrace are fringe, while in Islam even many moderate Muslims have an affinity for many of the radical ideology's.

Anyway, it's a problem that likely won't change until Christ comes, because sides will be chosen.

[_Quasimodo]

Quasimodo....

I'm well aware of the "bad" things done by religious in history including Christians, and it's one of the beginning reasons why I never thought the Catholic Church could possibly be the "true Church" on the earth.

Just commenting on your statement "A faith based on peace and love or really from God in any way wouldn't have a significant portion of it's followers be so blatantly evil acting".

Christianity has a lot to answer for.

All Christian religions (with the exception of a very few) are spin offs of the Catholic church. The Mormon church is one of them.

I also know, that your "list" is the common atheist ignorant slam against Religion. I know for example that several of the issues you list such as the Crusades are not how you represent such with your drive-by list. I know that for many of the events, there were legitimate issues occuring at the time thus resulting in said actions. But, you are right, there have been wrong done in religion by everyone.

That's not an "ignorant" list. Look up any one of them and you will see what I'm referring to. I stand by them all.

The Crusades (all of them) were religious blood baths. Look it up.

Why would you assume I'm an atheist because I'm aware of the "evils" perpetrated by Christians?

However, we are talking about TODAY.... And we are talking about something that is "prevalent" in a Faith, not "exceptions" to the general rule. It's just like with Christian anti-Mormons. Anti-mormonism within Christianity is so prevalent, that it is just like fanatical Islam, it is an evil religion within a religion, which ultimately has roots and connections to the religion itself that creates such evil manifestations.

I'm not sure how "anti-Mormons" got into this discussion (I don't think Mormons have a dog in this fight), but your own bias (today) against Islam speaks for itself.

Also, when I said "white people", I was refering to how THEY view others, "I" wasn't being racist in the statement. Tell me then what was their standard for killing and hurting all those people? They were "white" and from the "West". That's what I was referring to.

Your statement about "white people" (whether you realize it or not) sounds very racist. A large percentage of Afghan Islamic people are also "white". They were lashing out at Christians, not "whites". Religious intolerance, not racism.

Yes, bad people will have companions from all religions.... But, there is a significant problem when significant portions of a Faith are following down an evil path and ideology. These are simply exceptions to the rule, they are a significant block within the root ideoloy. To give another example, fundamentalist Mormons are an "exception" to the rule that is Mormonism. They are in NO WAY a significant block within Mormonism, they are a small fringe, but especially the ideologies they embrace are fringe, while in Islam even many moderate Muslims have an affinity for many of the radical ideology's.

Your depiction of all Islamic people as "following down an evil path" is just silly. You should spend some time reading about that, as well.

A little off topic, but to answer your comment, fundamentalist Mormons are pretty much following Brigham Young's teachings.

Anyway, it's a problem that likely won't change until Christ comes, because sides will be chosen.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.