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Political master stroke? Why wait so long? At the very least, Obama is guilty of his own accusations of distraction from the "real issues" by spending millions of dollars preventing the same verification required of say, John McCain. Why didn't he just come forward when the Clintons requested the same evidence?

The general public (less than 40% of whom did not believe Obama's claims up to this point) can certainly be forgiven for being skeptical as we now work towards verification; having been stung before by CBS-like forgery fiascos.

Anyone who seriously doubted Obama's citizenship for the last couple of years is probably eligible DSHS assistance.

bcspace wrote:Political master stroke? Why wait so long? At the very least, Obama is guilty of his own accusations of distraction from the "real issues" by spending millions of dollars preventing the same verification required of say, John McCain. Why didn't he just come forward when the Clintons requested the same evidence?

The general public (less than 40% of whom did not believe Obama's claims up to this point) can certainly be forgiven for being skeptical as we now work towards verification; having been stung before by CBS-like forgery fiascos.

If Obama were not the half-black son of a Kenyan, this would be an absolute non-issue. The whole thing is a huge load of BS, and if Obama used the innate bigotry of the far right to his advantage, good for him.

bcspace wrote:Political master stroke? Why wait so long? At the very least, Obama is guilty of his own accusations of distraction from the "real issues" by spending millions of dollars preventing the same verification required of say, John McCain. Why didn't he just come forward when the Clintons requested the same evidence?

The general public (less than 40% of whom did not believe Obama's claims up to this point) can certainly be forgiven for being skeptical as we now work towards verification; having been stung before by CBS-like forgery fiascos.

As usual, I'm drawn to what I see is the simplest and most logical explanation: Obama probably just thought the whole issue would die a natural death (certainly after he was inaugurated!)

But here we are, two years later, and it started to shape into an actual focus point for the coming campaign! So why release the "long form" now?

Here's why.

There are three kinds of voters:

1. Those who believe Obama was born in Hawaii. Case closed.
2. Those who just aren't sure, and are open to influence from the strong "Birthers" (see #3).
3. The "Birthers". People who, for one reason or another, are strongly convinced that Obama was born in Kenya and thus is not eligible to be President.

Obviously, Obama doesn't need to worry about #1. But does he need to worry about the 2's? Maybe most of them are already conservative leaning, but maybe there are a few who might have voted for him. Maybe all the noise between the 2's and 3's is enough of a distraction that it takes away energy from an Obama campaign.

But with the release of the "Long Form" (the very thing 3's have been begging for for years!), Obama has given very, very strong evidence that will convince many (if not all) of the 2's. But the 3's can't let go, so now they are marginalized and will be further relegated to the fringes of the conservative movement, turning them into disregarded and discredited (and irrelevant) voices in the coming elections. In effect, if the 3's can't get over it and move on, they will be taking themselves out of the political equation, and Obama will have a much larger audience of people receptive to his message (all the 2's).

And if the voices of the Birthers are strong enough to rise in prominence among conservatives, they could relegate conservatives themselves to the fringes of political discourse. Instead of associating "conservatism" with liberty, constitutionalism, and fiscal responsibility, the general public would begin to look at conservatives as conspiracy-theorist crackpots.

That is why this issue must die a quick death.

What's next his academic records showing he was not as bright as people think? Special affirmative action for him? Maybe Bill Ayers wrote all his assignment papers?

I knew the Right Wing nut jobs would find a way to fault Obama even after he proved they were all a bunch of paranoid idiots.

You got your silly birth certificate, after all the wailing and moaning by the fringe Right.

Are you happy now?

Of course not, because you were never really concerned about a birth certificate to begin with. You were just looking for reasons to attack the black guy. No matter what he does, you'll spin it to be something hideous, evil, deceptive, bla bla bla...

You look like morons, the lot of you.

If he had not been a citizen he would not have been able to run in the first place.

Trump, the tin-foil had idiot kept pushing and the lower IQ section of America buys into it because the guy has money.

President Obama was elected to the office and is doing just fine.

bcspace wrote:Political master stroke?

Had it been a true political master stroke he would have waited until the summer of 2012 when the Republican candidate would have had to go on the record as a birther in order to get the nomination from the Republican base which is a majority birther or very nearly so. Then that record could be used to cement the Republican nominee as a far right politican driving the sane independents to the Democrats and creating a 1964 Goldwater type defeat.

Kevin Graham wrote:...you were never really concerned about a birth certificate to begin with. You were just looking for reasons to attack the black guy.

The methods are changing, here a little, and there a little; giving us consolation by holding forth that which is to come, confirming our hope! (D&C 128:21)

Had it been a true political master stroke he would have waited until the summer of 2012 when the Republican candidate would have had to go on the record as a birther in order to get the nomination from the Republican base which is a majority birther or very nearly so. Then that record could be used to cement the Republican nominee as a far right politican driving the sane independents to the Democrats and creating a 1964 Goldwater type defeat.

Well yes, this is how left wing nutcases paint those in the mainstream who are concerned about following the constitution. But my original statement applies, Obama is fully and solely responsible for the controversy. It doesn't matter who the president is or what color is his skin though it is true that because he is such a terrible president it would be a good thing to invalidate everything he's done to this point.