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I've been catching up on the proceedings in the trial of Michael Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of his patient.

Now, I haven't viewed every single minute of testimony as I did for the Casey Anthony trial, but I have watched, at length, most of the video installments of the trial.

Murray is toast.

Buzz around the blogs and such, reveal a public that is perhaps evenly divided on what took place and who is responsible for it.

For example, there is some reason to believe that Michael Jackson engaged in doctor shopping, though this isn't easily proven. Many are of the mind that Michael Jackson was a drug addict, hired the doctor, knew what he was asking for when he asked to be treated with Diprivan, and so it's his own damn fault.

The facts remain:

1. Murray treated his patient with surgical anesthetic outside of a hospital setting.

2. Murray kept no records of his treatment and no medication log.

3. Murray treated his patient without the appropriate monitoring equipment in place,

4. After infusing his patient with Diprivan, Murray LEFT his patient alone.

5. Upon finding Jackson not breathing and WITH pulse, Murray (a cardiologist) began chest compressions for a patient with a pulse.

Yeah, he's toast.

It doesn't matter what Michael Jackson was, might have been or may have done with regards to pulling loose an IV clamp. It doesn't matter if Murray loved Michael Jackson as a friend, as he claims.

What matters is that Murray abandoned his post while his patient was being dosed with Diprivan and then instead of immediately bagging him or opening his airway, stopping the bloody IV drip, he began chest compressions on a patient with a pulse, and failed to call 911 immediately.

Michael Jackson's children, his family, friends and fans can never know for certain what exact circumstances of his treatment and subsequent death were because Murray abandoned professional protocol and kept no medical records on his patient.

White or wheat?

Just a couple of comments...the trial is winding down, with the defense presenting it's final witness, Dr. Paul White who is an expert on anesthesia, specifically Diprivan. Previous testimony by Dr. Steven Shafer, colleague of White and also expert on anesthesia/Diprivan was fascinating.

This coming week, beginning on Monday, Dr. Paul White will present his theory on how Jackson himself administered the fatal dose of Diprivan.

What difference does this make?

As I indicated earlier, Dr. Murray admitted that he himself administered 25mg dose of Diprivan to Jackson after administering a variety of drugs throughout the night and early morning beginning on or around midnight the day that Jackson died.

Evidence indicates that Dr. Murray regularly treated Jackson with Diprivan without proper monitoring equipment and besides that, Diprivan is to be used only in a hosptial or surgical environment. There is NO indications for home use.

He admitted to leaving his patient for 2 minutes, while his cell phone records show he was actively using his cell phone for calls, texts and sending emails for a period of 47 freaking minutes. During that time, he left his anesthetized patient without monitoring and in a room full of drugs.

Dr. Murray, upon finding his patient not breathing and WITH a pulse, began performing chest compressions on Jackson. (For the uninitiated, you do not treat respiratory arrest by doing chest compressions!)

Dr. Murray failed to call 911 until 20 MINUTES AFTER finding his patient not breathing.

When paramedics arrived, Murray FAILED TO DISCLOSE that he had administered Diprivan to Michael Jackson.

When Michael Jackson was transported to UCLA Medical Center, he again FAILED TO DISCLOSE that he had adminstered Diprivan to ackson, not that it would have mattered for by then, Jackson was for all intents and purposes, DOA by that time.

It was not until TWO DAYS LATER, that Murray disclosed the administration of Diprivan during a police interview.

Am I missing something here?

Is there any way in light of the above, that even if Jackson had regained consciousness in the 2 minutes (or 47 minutes, you decide) that Murray left him, that Murray could be acquitted of charges of involuntary manslaughter?

We shall see...

Holy Guacamole!!!!

15 minutes of defense star witness Dr. Paul White getting NAILED TO THE WALL by prosecuting attorney Walgren!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xw7HLy8AM8

Hi Jersey Girl,

I do believe that the Prosecution in this case has Proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Conrad Murray is guilty of involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson. I do think that the Jury in this case will find Dr. Conrad Murray is guilty of involuntary manslaughter. However, the Prisons in California are in a mess, and they are overcrowded, and I very much doubt that Dr. Conrad Murray is going to spend up to four Years in Prison. I am thinking that Dr. Conrad Murray is going to spend just about six months in the county jail. I know that is not going to make most of the loyal fans of Michael Jackson that happy, but that is going to likely happen in this case.

I agree that Murray is in deep doodoo.

The use of Propofol outside of a surgical environment alone, is enough to toast his biscuits.

Using a powerful surgical anesthesia outside of a hospital setting is reason enough to take away a doctor's licence and put him away for a while.

He knew what he was doing. I have no sympathy.

Quasimodo wrote:I agree that Murray is in deep doodoo.

The use of Propofol outside of a surgical environment alone, is enough to toast his biscuits.

Using a powerful surgical anesthesia outside of a hospital setting is reason enough to take away a doctor's licence and put him away for a while.

He knew what he was doing. I have no sympathy.

Yes, but apparently he didn't know how to 1. respond to a medical emergency, 2. respond to respiratory arrest, 4. use his cell phone and 5. didn't know that disclosing that he administered Propofol TWO DAYS later doesn't count after the guy is already dead.

This guy is going down.

Personally, I would like to see him incarcerated with these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK25cfzdTTg

One question I have and have not found the answer to is was there anything in the contract about Jackson/AEG(?) or Dr. Murray being able to end the agreement at any time? Was Dr. Murray in a contractual agreement without an "out?"

With Dr. Murray's salary, he could have bought and had on hand an AED or vial or two of epinepherine or other emergency drugs. Or, why didn't he refer Jackson to or consult a physician specializing in sleep disorders (assuming he did not)?

in my opinion, Michael Jackson was very selfish to have put Murray in such a situation to begin with and bears a lot of the responsibility himself.

msnobody wrote:
in my opinion, Michael Jackson was very selfish to have put Murray in such a situation to begin with and bears a lot of the responsibility himself.

I understand your point, but a physician has an obligation (by oath and law) to hold the welfare of his patients as the most important consideration regardless of his patients' desires.

Propofol is not a sleep enhancement drug. It's a very powerful drug used to put surgical patients into deep anesthesia. Very different from sleep. It can never be safely used outside of a surgical setting. If Murray didn't know this, that alone would cast serious doubt on his skills as a cardiologist.

That fact that Murray was administering Propofol in a patient's home, without additional personnel and without the immediate availability of life saving equipment and drugs, is the highest form of malpractice.

His inability to apply CPR (trying to do CPR on the soft surface of a bed instead of putting him on the floor) would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. A cardiologist that doesn't know how to apply CPR?

Michael Jackson was foolish to trust his life to a "Dr. Feelgood". Murray acted criminally in his use of Propofol at the request of his patient.

for what it's worth, I couldn't agree with you more, Quasimodo.