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Watching the political pundits over on CNN left wing media, I noticed a kernel of truth. "The Republican party is changing. It's becoming attractive to blue collar, white (sometimes even black) working class voters." For this reason, Newt Gingrich is viewed as a solid conservative in that he will protect the rights of working middle class people.

While the left undoubtedly sees this as a neonazi movement. What I'm seeing is people who are tired of working themselves into bad health only to see their wages eaten up by taxes, or to be degraded into "citizens of the world," footing the bill to send Jose (and his many children) to the moon. I'm seeing young people who don't necessarily believe that they are responsible for social security money that was unethically and irresponsibly spent long ago by our government nor do they believe that they alone should once more foot the entire bill and cost increase of the aging population. They understand how socialism works and they understand what a rip off it's going to be for them.

The Democratic party is going to lose this election not because they lost touch with Medicaid and Medicare beneficiaries but because they lost touch with the working middle class Americans who have to pay for it. And no, these working people who will vote Republican do not make more than $200k/year. Why these same working people were not smart enough to see the dishonesty in Obama's statement, "tax increases on people making more than $200k/year will cover all the spending," I do not know. But I do know that the Republican party is becoming a blue collar working man's party.

Republican populism has been changing the party demographics since a little before the Gore vs. Bush election. It coincides with the rise of right-wing media. It used to be the case that Democrats dominated the highly educated (Ph.D's) and poorly educated (high school or less) and Republicans owned the middle. What is happened is the Republicans are now doing better and better among the poorly educated and losing their hold on the upper-middle in the process. There is some movement on income as well matching the same pattern, but it isn't nearly as stark as the shifting demographics on level of education obtained.

Since people making in excess of 200k a year make up a small portion of the population, it is necessarily the case for a major party to win on the backs of those who do not. It's kinda trite to point it out.

By highly educated do you mean social science education only to the exclusion of engineers, doctors, and computer sceintists (the people actually creating the wealth). Most of these upper middle class people I know are staunchly Republican. Most of them make under $100K/year but are just as angry about the crippling taxation as anyone in the above $200k category. They do offer PhDs. in something other than English or History.

Granted most lawyers are democrats or at least are good at pretending to be democrats until they get through law school. But I find a lot of lawyers to be Republican once they start working. They're just as angry about socialism as people in physical science oriented professions.

I don't think the Republican party is changing.... I think it's always been all classes and races.
If anything is changing it's liberal perception, because they've been brainwashing people for ages trying to say that we are white and rich party, but now because of free media, some small number of people are realizing that we are normal people from all classes and races, that we stand for freedom, equality, and progress for all. We don't live our lives in "race" lenses like liberals do on and on.

Me, I've been poor my whole life so far, and I'm a strong Republican Conservative.
One day I do however hope to break free of the chains of my circumstances of early and later life due to the actions of others, but I'm a conservative and republican because it's good and right, while leftism only destroys. I'm also well educated, both literally and independently. Despite being poor, I've never lived or acted like it. My character is above my income.

ldsfaqs wrote:I don't think the Republican party is changing.... I think it's always been all classes and races.
Me, I've been poor my whole life so far, and I'm a strong Republican Conservative.
One day I do however hope to break free of the chains of my circumstances of early and later life due to the actions of others, but I'm a conservative and republican because it's good and right, while leftism only destroys. I'm also well educated, both literally and independently. Despite being poor, I've never lived or acted like it. My character is above my income.

I thought Republicans were supposed to take responsibility for themselves and not blame it on others. Your crappy life is your own fault. If you want more money then work harder. Just another "Highly educated /underemployed republican" You sound like a whiny bitch.

Both parties are changing for the worse. In the past 30 years both parties have pandered to the extreme left and right of their party until it has now become the "norm". Middle class will suffer with both parties because neither party respects the middle.

As a lifelong democrat I am disgusted with my party but I don't consider it socialist yet. But I am even more disgusted with the Republican party. It scares me to think they might control every branch of government.

Hoping for a fair form of government is like hoping for the second coming. You can pray for it everyday but it will never happen in your lifetime.

You may be right ldsfaqs. Granted I pulled the quote, "The Republican party is changing...," from left wing pundits on CNN.

But I've seen some very conservative people from my fathers and grandfathers generation. They didn't believe in retirement or entitlement. Recreation was a dirty word. If you didn't work, you didn't eat. Money was for putting in bank accounts, not spending. They hated socialism and communism. They believed in private property and self reliance. I'm sure democrats today would have called them racist. When my grandfather died, he opted to avoid costly cancer treatments that would have diminished the inheritance he left his boys and probably wouldn't have helped much. He was buried in a pinebox by his own demand. And yet he was a democrat. I don't think he would be today.

ajax18 wrote:Watching the political pundits over on CNN left wing media, I noticed a kernel of truth. "The Republican party is changing. It's becoming attractive to blue collar, white (sometimes even black) working class voters." For this reason, Newt Gingrich is viewed as a solid conservative in that he will protect the rights of working middle class people.

While the left undoubtedly sees this as a neonazi movement. What I'm seeing is people who are tired of working themselves into bad health only to see their wages eaten up by taxes, or to be degraded into "citizens of the world," footing the bill to send Jose (and his many children) to the moon. I'm seeing young people who don't necessarily believe that they are responsible for social security money that was unethically and irresponsibly spent long ago by our government nor do they believe that they alone should once more foot the entire bill and cost increase of the aging population. They understand how socialism works and they understand what a rip off it's going to be for them.

The Democratic party is going to lose this election not because they lost touch with Medicaid and Medicare beneficiaries but because they lost touch with the working middle class Americans who have to pay for it. And no, these working people who will vote Republican do not make more than $200k/year. Why these same working people were not smart enough to see the dishonesty in Obama's statement, "tax increases on people making more than $200k/year will cover all the spending," I do not know. But I do know that the Republican party is becoming a blue collar working man's party.

Republicans are doing better among whites in part because they've been race baiting since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Telling working whites that "black, brown, and yellow" are going to come take their blue collar jobs is an effective sell. In reality the rich white man (Mitt Romney) has taken those blue collar jobs and shipped them overseas to boost profits. Now the blue collar man is working a crappier job with fewer benefits under the erroneous assumption that the black, brown, and yellow people took their job...and the terrorists will win and socialism or something like that. I can't regurgitate Republican scare tactics.

by the way taxes are really low folks on everyone. That's why we have a national debt. Oh and the wars of aggression. And the demographic reality that we have 70 million people who are about to retire.

I thought Republicans were supposed to take responsibility for themselves and not blame it on others. Your s****y life is your own fault. If you want more money then work harder.

That's what is changing. While people are disappointed that they can't always make their life better by working harder. They're starting to realize that,

1. opening the border and every social welfare service imaginable to illegals
2. rewarding unwed motherhood
3. printing money to hand out more entitlements
4. pardoning murderers (Gov. Dukakis)
5. practicing reverse racism
6. kissing Arabic butt at home and abroad
7. putting a drag on competitiveness in the global marketplace with nonglobal environmental polices that will clearly not help the environmental situation as most countries will not agree to adopting such policies
7. and believing false promises that only the rich will be taxed

is actually making their situation even worse.

Telling working whites that "black, brown, and yellow" are going to come take their blue collar jobs is an effective sell.

Yeah, especially when it's true, though I never worried much about the blacks taking my blue collar job. Browns yes, at least if you work in construction.

In reality the rich white man (Mitt Romney) has taken those blue collar jobs and shipped them overseas to boost profits.

So why are there so many browns coming here if all the jobs were sent overseas?

I think it's more like telling working people that they're taking their money and giving it to nonworking people. And this assertion is substantiated every time you get your pay stub. The costs of the war is a drop in the bucket compared to welfare, medicaid/medicare, and social security.

ajax18 wrote:You may be right ldsfaqs. Granted I pulled the quote, "The Republican party is changing...," from left wing pundits on CNN.

haa haa..... Like I said, it's the lib's thinking that for the most part.

But I've seen some very conservative people from my fathers and grandfathers generation. They didn't believe in retirement or entitlement. Recreation was a dirty word. If you didn't work, you didn't eat. Money was for putting in bank accounts, not spending. They hated socialism and communism. They believed in private property and self reliance. I'm sure democrats today would have called them racist. When my grandfather died, he opted to avoid costly cancer treatments that would have diminished the inheritance he left his boys and probably wouldn't have helped much. He was buried in a pinebox by his own demand. And yet he was a democrat. I don't think he would be today.

Yes, yesterdays' Democrat's were indeed much more conservative, everyone was. Only when the 60's radicals started taking over the Democrat party did things really start to change, that the sides became more definitive. Today indeed, JFK would be considered a Bush Right Winger.

This is actually one problem I have with the Church still continuing the "it doesn't matter what party you belong to". It DOES matter today. It didn't matter before when Democrat's were still conservatives, but it matters today, when Democrat's have completely changed. Liberals try to say..... "oh, we have Democrat Apostles"..... Well ya... They are old school Democrats, they are Conservatives, not liberals.

Did you ever catch Zell Millers speech at the Republican Convention? He lay's out well how the Democrat party changed. Must watch, see Youtube....

You have liberal Mormons reinterpreting the Gospel such as the Book of Mormon War sections for their own purposes, completely contrary to the standard Mormon interpretation. Thus, this idea that one can be liberal and a Mormon is simply wrong. They are Wolves in sheeps clothing. When you have them re-interpreting doctrine, then there is a major problem.

ajax18 wrote:So why are there so many browns coming here if all the jobs were sent overseas?

I lost a whole 40 minutes of a post so I'll just respond to this one issue.

We still have jobs in this country. They're mostly service sector now because manufacturing labor is a fraction overseas and rich businessmen/job creators just don't have it in their hearts to pay people 20$/hr to make shirts and underwear.

But back to the "browns". They come because we're a wealthy country. Our worst jobs pay better than most jobs they could scratch out at home, so they come here. To clean up our yard clippings and lay sod and do every crappy job that the lazy ass American won't (and I include the lazy ass white man in the lazy ass America. Oh and they love our regulations too! It's amazing! We can drink from our garden hoses because the government regulates the water. Holy cow they can't get enough of clean garden hose water. And hey we don't have drug cartels murdering our elected officials. The ones they didn't bribe. And crap if it isn't amazing that when you get sick you can go to the emergency room and they'll take care. Isn't it marvelous? Wouldn't you want to come here if even to haul crap in a bucket?