Utah Elections and ObamaCare

[_moksha]

ObamaCare will be the central issue in the Utah general election this November. Senator Orin Hatch (R) has been airing campaign ads against his opponent ObamaCare for several months. Health care for all is something we Utahans can rally against. It defies our values. As poster Ajax could point out, we don't need it and we don't want to help pay for those that do need it. Droopy might add that it is fascist, Leninist, leftist ploy to drain precious bodily fluids from the American body politic. In short, it goes against what defines Mormonistic Conservatives as a people.

ObamaCare must be stopped!!! Ignore the similarity to that plan in Massachusetts which future President Romney had nothing to do with. That is a smoke screen created by the adversary, much like fossilized dinosaur bones.

Professor Quigley Bott of BYU likened Obama to a young child who was not ready for the Presidency and so created ObamaCare in response to a childish whim. The Hatch election SuperPac took issue with the incompleteness of this analogy, noting that Professor Bott said nothing about the lack of ObamaCare valiance in the pre-existence.

[_ajax18]

As poster Ajax could point out, we don't need it and we don't want to help pay for those that do need it.

Ajax would say that if you end up needing government help, most of you will not be eligible, regardless of whether you truly need it or not. You are however eligible and to go to prison if you don't pay for other people to get it. Universal healthcare simply cannot be universal. There will always be those who must go without. So let's rephrase this to represent my position better.

"As poster Ajax could point out, we did need it but since we've been declared ineligible, we'd rather not pay for those who the government sees as eligible.

Moshka I generally don't view liberals as ethical people. For me it usually isn't much different than basic theft. I don't believe that about you. I think you're mistaken if you think the government will be there if you truly need help. But I don't think you're a thief. I would suspect you even pay your taxes unlike most of the other high ranking democrats who seem to be experts at getting out of paying them.

In short, it goes against what defines Mormonistic Conservatives as a people.

You can be Mormon and be a Democrat. Jay Golden Kimball was a Democrat.

Ignore the similarity to that plan in Massachusetts which future President Romney had nothing to do with.

Mitt Romney is a politician. He'll play the middle if elected. But we're talking about the status quo. Obama is undoubtedly the most fiscally irrepsonsible president this country has ever seen. Given four more years and no reelection to campaign for, we will be living in the United Socialist States of America. I think there's too much at stake for the country to let that happen, but it very well could.

Sorry for the dealyed response. I've been working my tail off for the corporate man lately. Greed is the corporate game, your side has that right. Watching other people get rich off my life's labor is no paradise, but it's not the USSR either. Watching people who have maneuvered out of work come to me for free care makes my blood boil, especially when I'm at work sick because if the doctor misses work it's an economic slam all the way down the chain. Thankfully my corporate bosses refuse to take medicare or medicaid.

[_Brackite]

Dear Moksha,

The individual mandate in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), also known as 'ObamaCare' is most likely Unconstitutional.


Obama's Health-Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional Over Insurance Requirement:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-1 ... judge.html

Federal Judge Rules in Favor of Virginia's Central Challenge to Health Care Law:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12 ... -care-law/


Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare mandate:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/ ... J320110812

Health Overhaul Is Dealt Setback:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 80762.html



As for Senator Orin Hatch goes, he is not perfect, but he is a lot better Senator than the two Liberal Democratic Senators of California. Senator Orin Hatch has voted to ban Partial-Birth Abortions, while he then voted for embryonic stem cell research. The two Liberal Democratic Senators of California, Feinstein and Boxer, voted against the ban on Partial-Birth Abortions.

[_moksha]

Dear Moksha,

The individual mandate in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), also known as 'ObamaCare' is most likely Unconstitutional.

You may be right. If the Constitution was concerned about the general welfare of Americans, it would have said so somewhere.

[_moksha]

Senator Orin Hatch is still running against Obamacare, but he now has chosen one other adversary. Senator Hatch in his newest TV ad says that America is at its crossroads in the war between those who want entitlements and those who are willing to work.

Running against both Obamacare and the poor sounds like Hatch is doing his best to represent Utah values.

[Guest]

Running against both Obamacare and the poor sounds like Hatch is doing his best to represent Utah values.

I wondered about that when I heard his new ad. Entitlements? Has Hatch really decided to be against Social Security and Medicare?

Well, good for him! It's about time someone spoke out against those lazy elderly people, just sitting there and collecting a check instead of working. I know my lazy mother could support herself if she just put her mind to it. She ought to get out there with a rake and shovel and do some landscaping work for people. She's only 91, for Jeebus's sake.

[_krose]

The individual mandate in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), also known as 'ObamaCare' is most likely Unconstitutional.

I don't see how it is any different from Social Security, which is an individual mandate into which everyone is required to pay. Getting rid of SS would cause a serious grey rebellion.

[_moksha]

Well, good for him! It's about time someone spoke out against those lazy elderly people, just sitting there and collecting a check instead of working.

This new campaign against the elderly is a bold move, but understandable. Hatch needs to show he is as conservative as his Tea Party challengers.

[_EAllusion]

I don't see how it is any different from Social Security, which is an individual mandate into which everyone is required to pay. Getting rid of SS would cause a serious grey rebellion.

It requires you, under threat of penalty, to purchase a product from a private entity. Social Security taxes you to pay for a future benefit doled out by the federal government. That's quite different.

[_EAllusion]

One of the main issues of the 2008 Democratic primary was rival health care plans with it being taken for granted that either Clinton or Obama would push for their plan to be passed. (Once elected, Obama quickly switched to the Clinton plan he campaigned against - including the mandate - so bad call if you liked Obama for his specific plan.) This is a multi-generational goal of Democrats. To portray it as a moment of childish whim is just incredibly ignorant or the offline equivalent of trolling.