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No, Delusion, Graham doesn't care one iota what the truth is (and neither do you, so its not at all remarkable that you rush to his rescue at every opportunity). Graham is a totalitarian thug himself in his values and ideological predilections, and lives vicariously, as do so many armchair bomb throwers like himself, through union violence and intimidation, just as they love a good third world "revolution."

Media Matters is a Soros propaganda factory - not a think tank. Its purpose is to create and disseminate disinformatzia, not do serious political analysis of current events, if from a leftist perspective.

What is the truth about the altercation? Yup, as in the vast majority of such cases, the union punks were the instigators and perps behind the entire fracas - as they always are.

The claim that the original tape was "selectively edited" to make a certain case is pure speculation. The idea that Crowder somehow instigated the altercation and that the tape was edited to make it appear that he was defending himself when it was actually the poor, innocent union punk who was being put upon, will not stand up to logical or empirical scrutiny.

Here's a good portion of the video record of the incident leading up to the actual attack on Crowder:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/un ... ker-punch/

Mr. Graham is a simply nothing more than a naked, unalloyed shill, nothing more, and hardly anything less, who cares nothing for the truth of the matter but deeply about" the cause." There is not a shred of evidence that anyone but the union goon and the other goons around him - including Crowder's own eyewitness testimony and the video record itself - are solely responsible for the altercation. This is especially true with respect to the psychological atmosphere created by the union leadership in calling for blood in the streets and "civil war" (hear the guy beating what amounts to war drums in the background here, helping to create a very ominous collective mob psychology among the assembled union members?).

No, we don't know how the itching-for-a-fight union punk found himself on the ground. What this video shows, however, is that there are no grounds whatever to suppose that Crowder had anything to do with it. Crowder was doing nothing more here than attempting debate in a vigorous, civil manner. The union punks around him spend nearly the entire engagement in a progressively escalating posture of physical threat and in four-letter insults and vulgarities.

I can actually see why Graham sides with people like this and carries their water- he's actually one of them at heart.
Only the union perp himself is aggressive and threatening here, not Crowder, who is doing nothing more than engaging in a vigorous public debate (which the union members clearly do not believe is ether his right as an American citizen nor have any tolerance for from someone who does not agree with and support their gravy train laden extortion racket) against the kinds of people who neither understand or are interested in any such thing.

The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil; the whore who sitteth upon many waters, circles its wagons around the piglets who suckle at its teets. That, of course, is the nature of the beast itself.

This also explains very well the gang member-like mentality around here of succor and support for a dinosaurian movement that almost no American private sector workers want anything to do with anymore but which politicians who suckle off the same teets and ideological thugs who live vicariously through the thrill of collective violence against the targets of their own hatred absorb as life giving sustenance.

I expect the intellectual and moral atmosphere in this place to continue its coarse of degeneration and decline in future years.

Oh my...we are in the era of the low information voter in a high information age.

http://danaloeschradio.com/nyts-robert- ... protester/

http://thetrenches.us/2012/12/meet-the- ... n-lansing/

Yup, the entire meme that turns the tables on Crowder as the perp appears to be a dyed-in-the-wool smear based upon - yes, you guessed it, absolutely no empirical or documentary evidence whatsoever.

Keep your eye on who supports and spreads the smear (just like they did in the Trayvon Martin witch hunt) even though they know full well that neither any extant video evidence, eyewitness testimony, or sound logical argument supports it. By their works ye shall know them.

Right now the entire meme of the Left is that Crowder "brought it upon himself" by opening his mouth against the union. In essense, he "provoked" them by daring to debate them. Of coarse, you just don't debate a protected class of untouchables. It just isn't done. That, of coarse, is and always has been the standard, and its yet another aspect of an entitlement mentality that, once settled, is difficult to dislodge and tolerates no dissent or threat to its trough of protected privilege.

Oh my...we are in the era of the low information voter in a high information age.

http://danaloeschradio.com/nyts-robert- ... protester/

http://thetrenches.us/2012/12/meet-the- ... n-lansing/

Yup, the entire meme that turns the tables on Crowder as the perp appears to be a dyed-in-the-wool smear based upon - yes, you guessed it, absolutely no empirical or documentary evidence whatsoever.

Keep your eye on who supports and spreads the smear (just like they did in the Trayvon Martin witch hunt) even though they know full well that neither any extant video evidence, eyewitness testimony, or sound logical argument supports it. By their works ye shall know them.

Right now the entire meme of the Left is that Crowder "brought it upon himself" by opening his mouth against the union. In essence, he "provoked" them by daring to debate them. Of coarse, you just don't debate a protected class of untouchables. It just isn't done. That, of coarse, is and always has been the standard, and its yet another aspect of an entitlement mentality that, once settled, is difficult to dislodge and tolerates no dissent or threat to its trough of protected privilege.

Del

Hah. Crowder is claiming his tooth was chipped in the attack, and yet photos prove he had the same chipped tooth prior to the incident.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=8660

Funny how Crowder isn't interested in pressing charges.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012 ... harges.php

Droopy wrote:Oh my...we are in the era of the low information voter in a high information age.

It's odd to see you keep hitting that meme since it is a derived from and popular among liberals mocking/criticizing Droopy types. You're a Droopy type, you know.

Anyway, while you might thing media matters is being run by the devil himself, it still is the case that it often uses primary sources and therefore does not need to be trusted on its own. Rush Limbaugh said X : Queue video of Rush Limbaugh saying X doesn't take a lot of faith in Soro's henchmen.

There is an irony here in that Media Matters, while partisan and left-leaning in what topics it chooses to cover, is actually well sourced most of the time while websites you rely on are notorious for misleading presentation of the basic facts. I always am unsure if you are projecting of if you are self-conscious of how trolly your comments are. But here's the thing: This kind of behavior hurts conservatism. It makes it easier to dismiss your ilk as simply ignorant, low information voters in a high information age. Unfortunately, the occasional good ideas you have get dismissed with the rest of the nonsense you forward.

Anyway, while you might thing media matters is being run by the devil himself, it still is the case that it often uses primary sources and therefore does not need to be trusted on its own. Rush Limbaugh said X : Queue video of Rush Limbaugh saying X doesn't take a lot of faith in Soro's henchmen.

Exactly. But Droopy doesn't understand this for the same reasons he doesn't understand basic refutations of Mormon claims, such as the Book of Abraham. It is because he refuses to read those sources which his preferred sources have demonized. In matters of religion, everything that contradicts his fantasy is "anti-Mormon" ans must be ignored. In matters of politics, everything else is "leftist" and must be ignored for the same reasons. He can't handle challenging his own presuppositions, which makes him an intellectual coward to say the least.

There is an irony here in that Media Matters, while partisan and left-leaning in what topics it chooses to cover, is actually well sourced most of the time while websites you rely on are notorious for misleading presentation of the basic facts.

Yep. And of the thousands upon thousands of comments, refutations, etc presented by Media Matters over the years, I've yet to see FOX News show how it has gotten anything really wrong. MM is consistently reliable for the reasons you already mentioned. How the hell do you argue with primary sources in context? This is why FOX and their blind followers hate it so much.

Kevin Graham wrote:FACT: This video is heavily edited.

From 0:37 the video of the fight scene skips. Then it resumes at 0:38 when you see the man wearing the cap getting up from the ground and at the same time you hear someone in the background yell "You just assaulted him!". So either Crowder punched him first or pushed him to the ground. The only one defending himself was the union guy. The FOX NEWS cameraman cut out the part that caused the man to fall down.

Complete pucky.....! You people only see what you want to see.

Anyone actually experienced in violent confrontation can easily see what happened.
The fat idiot threw a wild punch with no solid footing and he fell on his ass!

And if you watch the full videos of the event, you clearly see Crowder doing everything possible to NOT do anything. Crowder has some training in Martial Arts, if he wanted to do something, we would see it. But his entire behavior was simply ALLOWING people to do what they wanted.

But, I suppose the tent just "destroyed itself"....? Ya, those UNION THUGS are not "violent".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46u5Ry1ndsI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0

You people only see what you want to see.

Anyone actually experienced in violent confrontation can easily see what happened.
The fat idiot threw a wild punch with no solid footing and he fell on his ass!

How does this even begin to make sense. The fat guy was coming from the ground as someone screamed and accused the journalist of "assault." Why don't you question why the cameraman only started rolling the camera as the fat guy was getting up to throw a punch? Because it makes no sense that the cameraman stopped rolling. He was always rolling, but all that was edited out.... for what reason?

Simple minds, comfortable in delusion don't ask these questions.

And if you watch the full videos of the event

There are no full videos. It was edited.

you clearly see Crowder doing everything possible to NOT do anything.

Uh huh, in those "clips" he allowed you to see, of course.

Crowder has some training in Martial Arts, if he wanted to do something, we would see it. But his entire behavior was simply ALLOWING people to do what they wanted.

In what, douche kwon do?

I'm a third degree black belt myself. The way he was "defending himself" (by lunging towards him before changing his mind as he remembered he was on camera and then threw his hands up acting like an innocent!) was hardly indicative of someone with proper martial arts training.

But, I suppose the tent just "destroyed itself"....? Ya, those UNION THUGS are not "violent".

This douchebag went there to film a setup. Obviously, or else why was the video edited so much? Why throw his hands up in a finale as if to say, "see what told you would happen"? He orchestrated the whole event using carefully edited video clips and meshing them together to deceive the only idiots who would possibly believe it.... FOX viewers.

Why not just let the camera roll from start to finish? Why wasn't the cameraman threatened at all? All you have are a bunch of convoluted video scenes meshed together. No video footage of the tent being destroyed at all. None. Just this douchebag's accusation against some bearded guy who denies doing anything wrong.

Anyway, while you might thing media matters is being run by the devil himself,

Its run by leftists and funded by Mr. Soros (and others) for the express purpose of the generation of timely propaganda, much of which is nothing more than yellow smear journalism intended to poison wells against the threat of serious critique. Most intellectually serious annalists of contemporary politics understand this, and the people who run Media Matters understand this.

it still is the case that it often uses primary sources...

Which is absolutely and utterly meaningless. Goebbels could do that too. What matters isn't that something is a primary source, but the interpretation of the information contained in that source and the manner in which it is manipulated, filtered, and presented to the public.

There is an irony here in that Media Matters, while partisan and left-leaning in what topics it chooses to cover, is actually well sourced most of the time while websites you rely on are notorious for misleading presentation of the basic facts.

And evidence-free arguments by assertion and poisoning of the well are both logical fallacies, at my last checking.

I always am unsure if you are projecting of if you are self-conscious of how trolly your comments are. But here's the thing: This kind of behavior hurts conservatism. It makes it easier to dismiss your ilk as simply ignorant, low information voters in a high information age. Unfortunately, the occasional good ideas you have get dismissed with the rest of the nonsense you forward.

As you have proven, over many years, that you have no idea whatsoever what contemporary conservatism is, what it believes, and what its core beliefs and values are, you are not in a position of intellectual credibility that would allow you to determine what hurts its cause and what does not.

Just continue doing what you have always done best, E: shilling for the Left.