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The GOP Myth About Gas Prices

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:48 pm
by _Kevin Graham
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/ ... ore-drill/

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Mike Huckabee says President Obama's refusal to issue offshore drilling permits is one reason gasoline prices are soaring

Huckabee says the call is on behalf of the conservative group Presidential Coalition. In it, he claims "the potential for $5- or $6-a-gallon gasoline this year terrifies Barack Obama, and it's an issue that we can lay directly on his doorstep. Obama's veto of the Keystone pipeline, his refusal to drill in Alaska or grant permits for offshore drilling, his cozying up to the Middle East and weakness on the energy issue, that's the reason gas prices are soaring, and don't let anyone tell you different."

First, Obama never vetoed the pipeline, which originally had a route that was opposed by Nebraska's governor, a Republican; it has never come to his desk for a signature. Obama expressed opposition to a Republican bill designed to push it through without going through the normal approval process.

But we were more interested in checking one of the other key parts of Huckabee’s claim -- that the president had refused to grant permits for offshore drilling.

That claim has been around for a while. In March 2011, Rep. Michele Bachmann, also a Republican, reported that only one new oil drilling permit had been issued since Obama took office.

That statement earned her a Pants on Fire from PolitiFact National in part because Bachmann made her statement 15 days after Obama reported at a news conference that more than 35 new offshore drilling permits had been approved. (A moratorium on permits had been imposed to implement new safety and environmental standards in the wake of the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.)

To get the latest count for the Gulf of Mexico, we turned to the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement, BSEE.gov.

Since new shallow water well regulations were put into effect June 8, 2010, the bureau reports, 122 permits for drilling where the water depth is 500 feet or less have been approved.

New regulations for deep-water wells took effect Oct. 12, 2010. Since then, 167 have been permitted by the Obama administration. BSEE spokeswoman Eileen Angelico said 27 of those permits were for existing wells where drilling was suspended during the moratorium.

That leaves 140 new deep-water wells just in the Gulf of Mexico.

In fact, federal authorities have also approved two other drilling permits -- for wells off the Alaska coast.

Our ruling

Mike Huckabee is telling people who receive his robocall that Obama has refused to issue offshore drilling permits -- one reason, he says, why gasoline prices are soaring.

In fact, 140 permits for new deep-water wells have been issued since the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill in 2010. More than hundred shallow water permits have also been issued since the moratorium was lifted, but we didn't ask how many of those were new because it is clear, just from the deep-water data, that Huckabee's claim is bogus.

"Don't let anyone tell you different," Huckabee says in his robocall as he faults the president for not approving new wells.

Well, we're telling you different. His statement is so ridiculously at odds with the facts, we've tapped our own reservoir of flammable hydrocarbons to give him -- and by association, the Presidential Coalition -- a Pants on Fire!

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This cuts to the heart of the kinds of stupidity Droopy and ldsfaqs have been propagating on this forum recently. Here is a list of GOP myths on the subject that have been thoroughly refuted.

Re: The GOP Myth About Gas Prices

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:06 am
by _ldsfaqs
I'm glad you brought this liberal lie back up.
In the last discussion I made a post to you, which I don't know if you got to read or not, because I couldn't find the thread again.

Anyway.

You guys are wrong in this because as usual you look at things like children, i.e. a chart saying we are drilling more, rather than the whole truth of the issue.

Yes, it IS true we are drilling more than ever more. But there are several problems with that claim, as it relates to gas prices. The liberal claim is because we are drilling more, thus gas prices are not caused by liberals not drilling. Again, several problems with such a claim.

1. Nearly ALL the drilling more that is occurring is entirely due to Bush years permit granting. For example, nearly all the above new operations you claim above, nearly all were Bush year processed/granted.
2. During Obama's Admin, there has been very little drilling permit granting.
3. Offshore drilling and otherwise, other than land drilling has been almost completely shut down by the Obama Admin.
4. Ultimately, the key point is that while it is true we are drilling more, we ARE NOT because of the above policy's and more, drilling even close to what we should be, what the MARKET actually demands. Thus, because of Obama's policy's, the price of gas has gone up, doubled since Obama took office.

See Kevin, while it is true overall production has increased, that is a complete strawman because the production itself according to market needs has been severely hampered by Obama (can anyone say Keystone pipeline as another example?). The natural market currently requires much greater oil operations. Obviously, if you are closing down drilling, if you are preventing permits, if you are preventing pipelines, on and on, anyone with a BRAIN can see that that will effect the price of oil, thus gas.

Kevin, if you have any goodness and intelligence left in you, read this several times, and actually try to understand.
It is not false what liberals claim that we are drilling more, what is false, and is the lie, is that Obama's actions has no bearing on the price of Gas. I've listed several issues clearly showing that the liberal misdirection is a lie.

Re: The GOP Myth About Gas Prices

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:21 am
by _Kevin Graham
Do you really not know that the link I provided clearly refutes the idiocy you keep repeating? And now I see you're just making crap up as you go. Nothing you say is supported by verifiable facts nor are these assertions supported by economists or experts in the know. It comes straight from Limbaugh's ass to your lips.

Re: The GOP Myth About Gas Prices

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:22 pm
by _ldsfaqs
Yes, and I addressed that point if you actually paid attention to what I wrote.

Actually, it is you who make things up. Do you really think the Oil Industry is LYING about their own market needs and forces? Do you really think the rest of us who see the same issue are LYING?

Bottom line Kevin, the MARKET requires more..... YOu haven't debunked that at all, you ignore it.
Obama has directly hampered the market in multiple ways. That's absolute fact. Your little "cherry picked" allowances don't even make a dent in what's needed. GET IT IDIOT?

Further, Obama and his Energy Secretary has directly said they are DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
The all above approach.... Limiting oil production while increasing alternative energy's.

Lord you're a moron!

Re: The GOP Myth About Gas Prices

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:38 pm
by _Buffalo
ldsfaqs wrote:Yes, and I addressed that point if you actually paid attention to what I wrote.

Actually, it is you who make things up. Do you really think the Oil Industry is LYING about their own market needs and forces? Do you really think the rest of us who see the same issue are LYING?

Bottom line Kevin, the MARKET requires more..... YOu haven't debunked that at all, you ignore it.
Obama has directly hampered the market in multiple ways. That's absolute fact. Your little "cherry picked" allowances don't even make a dent in what's needed. GET IT IDIOT?

Further, Obama and his Energy Secretary has directly said they are DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
The all above approach.... Limiting oil production while increasing alternative energy's.

Lord you're a moron!


You don't seem to understand how the free market works. You also don't seem to understand that oil companies are already sitting on land that can be drilled for oil, but have neglected to do so.