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As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:18 am
by _bcspace
From his first days in office, the president has held up California as a model state. In 2009, he praised its green-tinged energy policies as a blueprint for the nation. He staffed his administration with Californians like Energy Secretary Steve Chu—an open advocate of high energy prices who’s lavished government funding on “green” dodos like solar-panel maker Solyndra, and luxury electric carmaker Fisker—and Commerce Secretary John Bryson, who thrived as CEO of a regulated utility which raised energy costs for millions of consumers, sometimes to finance “green” ideals.

Obama regularly asserts that green jobs will play a crucial role in the future of the American economy, but California, a trend-setter in the field, has yet to reap such benefits. Green jobs, broadly defined, make up only about 2 percent of jobs in the state—about the same proportion as in Texas. In Silicon Valley, the number of green jobs actually declined between 2003 and 2010. Meanwhile, California’s unemployment rate of 10.9 percent is the nation’s third highest, behind only Nevada and Rhode Island.

When Governor Jerry Brown predicted a half-million green jobs by the end of the decade, even The New York Times deemed it “a pipe dream.”

Obama’s push to nationalize many of California’s economy-stifling green policies has been slowed down, first by the Republican resurgence in 2010 and then by his reelection considerations. But California’s politicians, living in what’s become essentially a one-party state, have doubled down on green orthodoxy. As the president at least tries to cover his flank by claiming to support an “all-in” energy policy, California has simply refused to exploit much of its massive oil and gas resources.

Does this matter? Well, Texas has created 200,000 oil and gas jobs over the past decade; California has barely added 20,000. The state’s remaining energy producers have been slowing down as the regulatory environment becomes ever more hostile even as producers elsewhere, including in rustbelt states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, ramp up. The oil and gas jobs the Golden State political class shuns pay around $100,000 a year on average.

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A recent Public Policy of California study shows that since the recession, the gap between rich and poor has widened more in California than in the rest of the nation. Lower-income workers have seen their wages drop more precipitously than those of the affluent. And the middle class is proportionately smaller and has shrunk more than elsewhere. Adjusted for cost of living, it stands at 47.9 percent in California compared to nearly 55 percent for the rest of the country.

Meantime, many Californians have been departing for more affordable states, with a net loss of four million residents to other states over the past 20 years (while continuing, of course, to attract immigrants.) Of those who remain, nearly two-in-five Californians pay no income tax, and one in four receive Medicaid.

There are some people are prospering in California, including many of the affluent supporters who Obama courts on his frequent fundraising forays here. Tenure-protected academics from the University of California constitute his third-largest donor base, while Google ranks fifth and Stanford twelfth, according to Open Secrets.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/27/as-california-collapses-obama-follows-its-lead.html


The squeezing of the productive part of the economy to fund the unproductive part continues apace on the Obama Administration.

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:15 pm
by _Brackite
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Obama regularly asserts that green jobs will play a crucial role in the future of the American economy, but California, a trend-setter in the field, has yet to reap such benefits. Green jobs, broadly defined, make up only about 2 percent of jobs in the state—about the same proportion as in Texas. In Silicon Valley, the number of green jobs actually declined between 2003 and 2010. Meanwhile, California’s unemployment rate of 10.9 percent is the nation’s third highest, behind only Nevada and Rhode Island.

When Governor Jerry Brown predicted a half-million green jobs by the end of the decade, even The New York Times deemed it “a pipe dream.”

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When Barack Obama first entered into office, the Unemployment rate for California was at 10.2%. The Unemployment rate for California is now at 11.0%, which is 2.8% higher than the Unemployment rate for the Nation. The State of California has a Democratic Governor, a Democratic Lieutenant Governor, and a Democratic controlled State Legislature. The Democratic Party has controlled the State Legislature in California since 1996.

California: http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/california/

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:12 pm
by _Eric
Image

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Political Party: Republican
2003 - 2011

California: http://governors.library.ca.gov/38-schwarzenegger.html

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:38 pm
by _Droopy
Eric wrote:Image

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Political Party: Republican
2003 - 2011

California: http://governors.library.ca.gov/38-schwarzenegger.html



Arnold Schwarzenegger is and always has been a died-in-the-wool liberal. He openly identified himself as a social leftist well before his election, and governed his state, despite his reams of gaseous rhetoric, as a unalloyed left leaning statist/interventionist in all other respects.

The United States needs to return to its classical liberal/Judeo-Christian roots - the core of the founding principles of the Declaration and the rules of law imposed by the Constitution, or it will be, well within our own lifetimes, at its end. Once America is gone as a classical liberal grounded nation based in limited government by the consent of the governed, unalienable rights, natural rights, the rule of law, and individual liberty, there will be nowhere else to run (let alone hide).

This is it; the last place on earth containing anything like the range and depth of individual liberties and opportunities within which a people can thrive, prosper, and seek their dreams (pursuit of happiness).

However, freedom and liberty are not absolute, and must be mediated and conditioned by other delimiting and controlling principles. Freedom, of the kind conceived by the Declaration and Constitution, is of little value and can turn upon itself and devour its own children without a moral and virtuous people at the core of such a social order.

Much of our society having lost its moral, ethical, and spiritual (and hence, intellectual) bearings, two extreme poles now present themselves for consideration as humanity panics and runs around in circles seeking to place blame on the nearest politically correct goat within reach: the return of utopian collectivism and democracy, both historic (and closely allied) failures that have visited calamitous depredations upon human well being throughout history (and utopian socialism has been the most prolific as to the destruction of human well being among all the failed ideologies of human history)

The decay and dissolution of our economic, military, scientific, educational, and manufacturing infrastructure is merely symptomatic of the fact that, to a great extent, Jesus Christ is no longer the God of this land for a critical mass of its citizens, and a majority of the people have begun to openly choose wickedness, at the voting booth, in that which they consume and support in open markets of media, entertainment, news, and culture, and in the continuing degradation of the family, over righteousness. Far, far too many, including much of government, business, academia, the media, and the entertainment world, support, aid, abet, and nourish the Gadianton Robbers in our midst (and some of them are, in point of fact, intellectual, literary, and cultural Gadianton Robbers themselves).

Things are nearing "ripeness," it would seem, and, over the course of my lifetime, it appears as well that the pace of such movement toward the time at which the fruit will fall from the tree is increasing, as is the scope and intensity of such change.


Oh, sorry, I meant, "hope and change."

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:51 pm
by _schreech
Droopy wrote:
The decay and dissolution of our economic, military, scientific, educational, and manufacturing infrastructure is merely symptomatic of the fact that, to a great extent, Jesus Christ is no longer the God of this land for a critical mass of its citizens, and a majority of the people have begun to openly choose wickedness, at the voting booth, in that which they consume and support in open markets of media, entertainment, news, and culture, and in the continuing degradation of the family, over righteousness.


So, since china is progressing economically, scientifically, educationally and have solid control of much of the worlds manufacturing, does that mean that Jesus Christ is the god of their land for "a critical mass of its citizens"? Are you saying that a majority of the chinese people choose righteousness in the voting booth?

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:59 pm
by _Brackite
Eric wrote:Image

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Political Party: Republican
2003 - 2011

California: http://governors.library.ca.gov/38-schwarzenegger.html



Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't been Governor within California in over 15 months.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger is what a lot of Conservative Republicans would call a RINO (Republican In Name Only).


Schwarzenegger calls stimulus plan 'terrific': (February 22nd, 2009):
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -terrific/

Schwarzenegger To GOP Governors: Give Me Your Unwanted Stimulus Money: (3/25/09):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/2 ... 68918.html

White House turns to data and Schwarzenegger to defend stimulus: (10/30/09):
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... d-stimulus

Schwarzenegger highlights benefits of 1-year-old federal stimulus package: (Feb. 17, 2010):
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/02/17/120 ... ear-old-f/

California received more money from the federal stimulus package than any other state. On its first anniversary today, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger emphasized the benefits of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Schwarzenegger said California will benefit from $80 billion in federal stimulus money.

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Schwarzenegger: GOP stimulus attacks, then praise of projects hypocritical: (Feb. 21, 2010):
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... pocritical

Schwarzenegger Rips Romney, GOP For Stimulus Hypocrisy: (Feb. 22, 2010):
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ma-gov ... V5EPDIVSQ1

Schwarzenegger Backs Obama on Health Care, Stimulus: (Feb. 23, 2010):
http://www.newser.com/story/81569/schwa ... mulus.html

Schwarzenegger blasts big oil over Prop 23: (September 27, 2010):
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=7691890

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:58 pm
by _Droopy
So, since china is progressing economically, scientifically, educationally and have solid control of much of the worlds manufacturing, does that mean that Jesus Christ is the god of their land for "a critical mass of its citizens"? Are you saying that a majority of the chinese people choose righteousness in the voting booth?


China is a deeply authoritarian quasi-totalitarian fascist state that is "progressing" in primarily one sense and one sense only, and that is economically, and that has been by embracing, to a fair degree, correct economic principles that we and Western Europe have abandoned.

However, almost anything, in comparison to Mao's China, is "progress." If you consider the political and cultural atmosphere in China, and things such as the Tien An Men massacre of peaceful protestors using military force, and the continuing presence of gulags for both criminals and political dissenters, as signs of progress, please enlighten us as to why.

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:23 am
by _EAllusion
China still has a far more centrally planned economy than the Western democracies do, even the quasi-socialist ones. China has been liberalizing its economic policy for many years now. Not coincidentally they've had massive economic expansion during that time. But this shouldn't be confused with China somehow being a paradise of open markets. They're anything but. China might be increasingly wealthy now, but don't forget that for the size of its population, they're still doing horribly on a per capita basis. The US has twice the economic might with a quarter of the population. China has a long, long way to go before it even approaches the level of economic efficiency the US enjoys. If China's economy was as well-developed as the US's, they'd have a GDP at least 4 times as large as ours.

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:28 am
by _EAllusion
Brackite still doesn't understand that you can't take a raw unemployment number and simply attribute that to the government in charge. The cause and effect relationship isn't that simple. It's not even approximately valid.

It's also profoundly unconservative to think a state governor's influence over the economy is so extensive that current employment rate is a direct consequence of him or her. Most of what happens in the economy does so for cyclical reasons that are simply out of the hands of the government's ability to appreciably impact without massive, structural intervention. Odd that none of this board's supposed conservatives ever feel the need to point this out when Brackite is trying to bash Democrats with it.

Re: As California collapses, Obama follows

Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:11 pm
by _Brackite
EAllusion wrote:Brackite still doesn't understand that you can't take a raw unemployment number and simply attribute that to the government in charge. The cause and effect relationship isn't that simple. It's not even approximately valid.

It's also profoundly unconservative to think a state governor's influence over the economy is so extensive that current employment rate is a direct consequence of him or her. Most of what happens in the economy does so for cyclical reasons that are simply out of the hands of the government's ability to appreciably impact without massive, structural intervention. Odd that none of this board's supposed conservatives ever feel the need to point this out when Brackite is trying to bash Democrats with it.


I am very familiar with the State of California and with its politicians, so I do believe that a lot of the Liberal policies in that State have played a major role in the unemployment rate being as high as it is there. The Democratic Party has controlled both the State Assembly and the State Senate in California since 1996. Nearly all of the Democrats in the California State Legislature are Liberals and Progressives. There are Not any blue dog and moderate Democrats in the California State Legislature. The bloated Government pensions is a major and serious problem in California, which may be partly responsible for the very high unemployment rate there.


New California taxes pay for pensions, not schools:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20 ... ot-schools

BLOG: Jerry Brown's tax bait-and-switch:
http://www.thebusinessjournal.com/lists ... and-switch

Jerry Brown tells unions to brace for California state worker pay cuts:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_state_worke ... qus_thread