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The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:37 pm
by _Tarski
When my my son was about 7 years old he asked me if it was going to rain the next day (he wanted to go to the park). I looked at the weather forecast and told him no.
The next day it rained and he angrily called me a liar. His childish mind couldn't understand the difference between being wrong and lying.
A few years later me and my wife were talking about divorce. At some point I decided I was going to compromise on all of our issues and keep the marriage together. In an emotional and optimistic moment I told my kids that I was going to keep the family together. As it turns out, my wife did not want to compromise in the slightest and in fact at that point already had her eye on a certain Peter Priesthood. No amount of giving in was going to work. Once again, my son called me a liar! His childish mind did not factor in the assumed contingencies for my "promise".
I simply did not anticipate that no amount of relenting and no amount of compromise was going to do the trick with my wife. I was wrong, but it hardly counts as a lie.
Obama should have known that republicans had no intention of working with him no matter how far to the right he leaned and no matter how willing to compromise he was. Their goal was to deprive Obama of anything like a success no matter what.
These days Mr. Hannity is making a big deal out of the fact that Obama made optimistic predictions about how much progress we would make on the economy, the budget and the deficit. He is saying that Obama is a LIAR. "Obama said he was going to blah blah blah but...."
Mr. Hannity either has the mind of a child or he is counting on his listeners having such minds. Probably both.
On the other hand, Romney makes false statements about what has already transpired. But he isn't a liar?
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:57 pm
by _moksha
Tarski wrote:Mr. Hannity either has the mind of a child or he is counting on his listeners having such minds. Probably both. On the other hand, Romney makes false statements about what has already transpired. But he isn't a liar?
Hannity is part of a propaganda machine. He is only doing his job. His audience likes his boldness and bombast. In literature he would be saying, "Four feet good, two feet bad".
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:04 am
by _Milesius
Hannity is pretty insufferable. Were you watching him as penance?
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:32 pm
by _Brackite
His name is spelled Sean Hannity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Hannity http://www.hannity.com/ http://forums.hannity.com/ http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay. ... n-Politics Obama should have known that republicans had no intention of working with him no matter how far to the right he leaned and no matter how willing to compromise he was. Their goal was to deprive Obama of anything like a success no matter what.
President Barack Obama did indeed have a super majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives during his first two years of office. The Democrats had a filibuster-free Senate from September 25, 2009 until February 3, 2010. During that time, the Senate Passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), also known as 'ObamaCare' by Party line vote. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) ended up Passing the very heavily Democratic controlled House of Representatives in March of 2010, and then President Barack Obama ended up signing that bill into law. The Democrats still control the Senate, but they no longer have a filibuster-free Senate.
President Ronald Reagan Never had a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives during his eight years of Presidency. The Republicans did have control of the Senate from 1980 to 1986, but they never had a filibuster-free Senate during that time.
President Bill Clinton had a majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives during his first two years of office. The Democrats controlled the Senate during Bill Clinton's first two years of office, but they did not have a filibuster-free Senate during any of that time. President Bill Clinton tried to get a stimulus package passed of his own back in 1993, but the Republicans filibustered that stimulus package, and it never got signed into law. However, President Barack Obama did indeed get his stimulus package passed and signed into law.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:56 pm
by _ajax18
Tarski you won't be upset if the government tells you, "Sorry, but we had to spend your social security on people we believed needed it more than you. Due to unforeseen circumstances, you won't be eligible for social security until you're 70 and then you'll have to qualify for disability first." We tried taxing the rich, but it turned out that those New England liberals didn't really like paying taxes any more than the conservatives they disparage. In the end, they were just to powerful and we couldn't get their money. So we're just going to raise everyone's taxes since that's all we can do. And with all the newly disabled people, the money went very quickly. We had no idea that would happen when we instituted the program, therefore we don't believe we have broken any promises to you or any other payer.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:17 am
by _krose
Brackite wrote:President Barack Obama did indeed have a super majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives during his first two years of office. The Democrats had a filibuster-free Senate from September 25, 2009 until February 3, 2010. During that time, the Senate Passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), also known as 'ObamaCare' by Party line vote. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) ended up Passing the very heavily Democratic controlled House of Representatives in March of 2010, and then President Barack Obama ended up signing that bill into law. The Democrats still control the Senate, but they no longer have a filibuster-free Senate.
President Ronald Reagan Never had a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives during his eight years of Presidency. The Republicans did have control of the Senate from 1980 to 1986, but they never had a filibuster-free Senate during that time.
President Bill Clinton had a majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives during his first two years of office. The Democrats controlled the Senate during Bill Clinton's first two years of office, but they did not have a filibuster-free Senate during any of that time. President Bill Clinton tried to get a stimulus package passed of his own back in 1993, but the Republicans filibustered that stimulus package, and it never got signed into law. However, President Barack Obama did indeed get his stimulus package passed and signed into law.
What is the relevance of these statements? They seem oddly misdirected.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:32 am
by _Kevin Graham
Obama should have known that republicans had no intention of working with him no matter how far to the right he leaned and no matter how willing to compromise he was. Their goal was to deprive Obama of anything like a success no matter what.
Yes, and they didn't even try to hide that fact. Many of them came right out and said their primary goal was to make sure Obama didn't get reelected. That speaks to their unwillingness to see him succeed in anything he was trying to do.
Oh, and Brackite, this is a must read for you:
The Democratic Super Majority MythThe thing that his critics miss is that President Obama’s administration has to plan their strategy on what is achievable during a particular time frame given the circumstances of the moment. Having a filibuster proof Senate majority was only possible under a specific set of circumstances. They began in April of 2009 when Senator Arlen Specter decided to switch from a Republican to a Democrat.
Specter, a long time moderate, said that he was switching back to the Democratic party because of concerns over the direction of the Republican party but conventional speculation is that he was losing in the polls for the Republican Primary to Pat Toomey for not being conservative enough. Specter wound up losing the Democratic primary anyway to Joe Sestak in 2011. But for a while, Specter was the 59th Democratic Senator.
The 60th Senator, Al Franken of Minnesota, was locked up for months in recounts and legal challenges from a very close race with incumbent Norm Coleman. Finally, on July 8, 2009 after eight months of delays, Franken was sworn in as the 60th Democratic Senator (this includes the two independents who caucused with the Democrats). This was the first time Democrats had a filibuster proof majority since 1958.
But six weeks later on August 25, 2009, Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy passed away. Technically, it could be argued that the Democrats still had a filibuster proof majority since cloture involves 3/5 of sitting Senators (59 out of 99 is roughly 3/5). But the Senate was in summer recess at the time so it may not have mattered.
One month later on September 25, 2009 Paul Kirk was appointed to fill Kennedy’s vacancy while the special election was going on. Even then this was only because Kennedy himself had requested that the Governor of Massachusetts change the law a week before he died to allow an appointment so the seat wouldn’t be vacant for the remainder of the year. Had he not done so it could’ve been argued that the 60 seat Democratic supermajority would have lasted about six weeks.
In November of 2009 Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, in a poorly run campaign, lost Ted Kennedy’s seat to Republican Scott Brown effectively ensuring the end of the filibuster proof Senate.
On Christmas Eve of 2009, the Senate voted to move forward with the Health Care Reform bill by 60 to 39 votes. As Vice-President Biden noted, it was a big deal.
On February 4, 2010 Scott Brown was sworn in signaling the end of the super-majority.
Depending upon which metric is used, Democrats had a super majority for roughly six months which includes the seven weeks between Franken’s swearing-in on July 8 to Ted Kennedy’s death on August 25 and the four months and nine days between Paul Kirk’s swearing-in on September 25, 2009 to his replacement by Scott Brown on February 4, 2010. This was just barely enough time to pass the biggest and most difficult health care legislation in generations; an event that would likely never have happened under any other circumstances. This also happened under the onslaught of every procedural obstruction the Republicans could put in its path.
President Obama, against advice from many of his advisors, gambled his political capital on this bill and won. And it was a significant battle in what is sure to be a series of battles to come in order to keep the foothold on this particular beachhead. He put the brief super majority to good use and any argument that he squandered it will need to stand next to the impressive accomplishment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:46 am
by _EAllusion
Reagan had a Congress that was far more willing to compromise. This is mainly because there were more liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats during that time. As the Southern Dixiecrats and big business interests have merged to become the defining character of the Republican party and the Republican liberals have died out, the makeup of the parties have become more ideologically homogenous. This has led to more parliamentary block voting tactics in Congress. This in turn has led to the Republicans successfully opposing Obama nearly at every turn on virtually everything as a coherent strategy, even items they purported to support until Obama got behind them. Filibustering and other forms of procedural block have been used at unprecedented levels and the Democrats did not have the chutzpah to blow up the rules to get around that. But this is only possible because of the parliamentary united front Republicans are able to build.
Obama, for his part, seems willing to appease Republicans to a comic fault. He compromises away so much in an doomed attempt to seem bipartisan and a possibly doomed attempt to triangulate. He also is much more conservative on a variety of topics than some liberal Democrats would like to imagine him in their fantasy ideal and he isn't "giving up" so much as not agreeing with them in the first place. That's especially true on war on terror policies.
Of course, there's a narrative in conservative propaganda media that Obama is a hair's breath away from being a communist, when in reality he is one of the most right-leaning Democrats to hold the presidency in a century, so this all gets very confusing trying to have a conversation in areas where true blue followers of such things congregate.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:02 pm
by _krose
EAllusion wrote:Of course, there's a narrative in conservative propaganda media that Obama is a hair's breath away from being a communist, when in reality he is one of the most right-leaning Democrats to hold the presidency in a century, so this all gets very confusing trying to have a conversation in areas where true blue followers of such things congregate.
So true.
It's maddening for an actual liberal to hear all the "commie pinko" vitriol, while at the same time being utterly disappointed at how conservative the president's actions and policies have been.
It's like living in a bizarro world where up is down.
Re: The childlike mind of Shawn Hannity
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:03 pm
by _Brackite
Yes, I did read that Article.
However, that Article is incorrect on this point:
In November of 2009 Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, in a poorly run campaign, lost Ted Kennedy’s seat to Republican Scott Brown effectively ensuring the end of the filibuster proof Senate.
A Blogger correctly pointed out there:
I agree with you, but you’re wrong on Scott Brown’s election. He was elected on January 19, 2010, not November of 2009. Your point is still correct, however, if you take into account recesses. Congress was out most of August 2009, and it was out of session in late December 2009 to early January 2010.
The Senate during that time was able to pass the PPACA on December 24, 2009.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-12-24/poli ... M:POLITICS