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Droopy wrote:
When you finally decide to engage anyone in an intellectually substantive discussion, New York will probably be under a mile of solid ice and London will have been renamed Khomeiniville.

Pull the lever and tell me what you get. Start with the lemons...

So, Droopy.......tell me more about how the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare under the Commerce Clause.

If the owners of Chik-Fil-A want to support a ban on gay marriage and condemn the gay lifestyle, that's their business. They should have that right. If people want to boycott them, that's their business, just as it was the Christian Right's perogative to boycott Disneyland.

People should have the right to voice their opinions, and people should also have the right to voice their displeasure at the opinion of others.

If people want to picket or boycott Planned Parenthood or the local Mormon Temple, they should have that right.

Oliver Wendell Holmes said "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." Sounds right to me.

Personally, I think Chik-A-Fil has earned a place in the Chicken Shack Honor Roll of Tolerance next to Lester Maddux's Picknik Restaurant.

As for "the progressive Morlocks feeding off the last remaining bodily fluids of America as a free, open, individual liberty based and representative democracy".

Morlocks? It's good to know the science fiction of a Socialist like H.G. Wells has influenced your thinking. Nothing like calling the other side a race of underground cannibals from the future to get a serious dialog going.

So Chik-A-Fil is what, the Eloi? If you're a vegetarian, are the chickens the Eloi?

In Stanley Kubrik's dark comedy masterpiece Dr. Strangelove, Colonel Jack D. Ripper starts a nuclear war because he is convinced the Communists are trying to pollute Amercian's precious bodily fluids by putting fluoride in the water. This was a common belief among John Birchers in the 50's dnd 60's. Thank you, Ezra Taft Benson, for alerting us to this danger!

I guess it's finally working.

Yes, congratulations to the chicken guy for courageously coming out against lifelong, monogamous commitment for The Gays.

He obviously must prefer the alternative -- no gay commitment, and more gay sex partners.

krose wrote:Yes, congratulations to the chicken guy for courageously coming out against lifelong, monogamous commitment for The Gays.

Extremely rare among male homosexuals histoirically, and will continue to be extremely rare on into the future. But, after all, the homosexual marriage movement doesn't really have anything to do with any particular actually performed homosexual marriage at all.

He obviously must prefer the alternative -- no gay commitment, and more gay sex partners.

Well, that's a major part of what "gay liberation" was all about from the late sixties onward - until the 90s and homosexual marriage made its first tentative appearance.

The Ghosts of Kinsey, Marcuse, Foucault, and Hefner et al continue to rattle their chains and go bump in the night, and will, until the very end.

Droopy wrote:Extremely rare among male homosexuals histoirically, and will continue to be extremely rare on into the future.

If that's the case, one wonders why the Mormons and others are so enraged about it, and are trying to convince us that it will bring about the end of everything that makes life worth living.

The answer, of course, is pure bigotry.

After all, it's gay marriage that they are trying to legally prohibit, not gay sex (no matter how much or how little of it there is). So it's not about morality or 'sin' at all, because prohibiting gay marriage does not equate in any way to less gay sex. Quite the opposite, actually.

It is also very telling how people consistently ignore lesbians in these discussions.

Nothing illustrates quite as well as this how the religious opposition to homosexuality (as well as the religion itself) is a creation of homophobic men. That includes scriptures, which were written by such men.

Darth J wrote:That's right. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution firmly stand for the principle that positive law should be determined by the tribal mythology of Bronze Age Hebrews.

The earliest parts of the Bible date to the Iron Age, not the Bronze Age.

If that's the case, one wonders why the Mormons and others are so enraged about it, and are trying to convince us that it will bring about the end of everything that makes life worth living.

No one's ever claimed that. After all, its only perhaps 2% or 3% of the population. LDS concern for them, as individuals, is for their eternal welfare, and nothing more. They can accept or reject that concern, as their free agency dictates. Oh, you mean the gay rights/marriage agenda? You mean the leftist project of redefining and reconceptualizing the core foundational basis of civilization itself: the family, gender, gender roles, and the legitimate boundaries of human sexuality. Oh, that's what you mean.

The answer, of course, is pure bigotry.

Yes, but its primarily on the Left. I have no feelings of bigotry toward homosexuals whatsoever. My philosophy regarding that is complex, principled, and rigorously thought through, over many years.

After all, it's gay marriage that they are trying to legally prohibit, not gay sex (no matter how much or how little of it there is). So it's not about morality or 'sin' at all, because prohibiting gay marriage does not equate in any way to less gay sex. Quite the opposite, actually.

The logic of this argument quite escapes me, but moving on, its true, no one is thinking about prohibiting homosexual behavior, per se. Not even possible (at least in a free society)

The problem is definitions and concepts, and their effects on the possibility of the continuance of a morally viable, free, civil social order and, from a gospel standpoint, upon the eternal welfare of those who will grow up in a culture that no longer cares about or understands what "morality" even is.

Chik-Fil-A franchises look like a sure fire Utah business opportunity.
- Deseret News, Business Section


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