Ryan: Democrats are very afraid of him.

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Ryan: Democrats are very afraid of him.

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First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

Second, Democrats know that Ryan has Reaganesque qualities that make him appealing to independent, middle-class voters. Take the cover story on Ryan that the Isthmus, a radically left-wing Madison, Wis. newspaper, ran on him in 2009. “Ryan, with his sunny disposition and choirboy looks, projects compassion and forcefully proclaims dedication to his district,” the story reported. “And he’s proved he is not unyieldingly pro-corporate, as when he recently joined in condemnation of AIG ‘retention’ bonuses.”

Third, Ryan’s ideas aren’t that novel or scary. The idea of “premium support” for Medicare, which would change the program’s one-size-fits-all policy to a private-insurance model with public options, was endorsed by a bipartisan commission appointed by Bill Clinton back in the 1990s. Late last year, Ryan announced a new version of his proposal with a new partner signing on: Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, who first achieved political prominence as an advocate for seniors.

Four, Ryan puts Wisconsin and its ten electoral votes in play. Polls have shown that President Obama holds a five to seven point lead in Wisconsin — significant, but much less than Obama’s 14-point margin in 2008. With Ryan on the ticket, polls show the race is dead even.

Five, if Republicans were looking for a superior candidate, they’ve found it in Ryan. His maiden speech as the GOP vice-presidential candidate was perfectly pitched:

We won’t duck the tough issues . . . we will lead!

We won’t blame others…we will take responsibility!

We won’t replace our founding principles . . . we will reapply them!

Echoes of Ronald Reagan at his best.

Ryan was judged to have already had the better of President Obama in televised exchanges on Obamacare. His debate with Joe Biden this October might well be remembered as cruel and unusual punishment for dim vice presidents. Recall that Sarah Palin fought a much more engaged Joe Biden to a draw in their 2008 vice-presidential debate.

Six, as Democratic consultant Joe Trippi acknowledged today on Fox News, Ryan will bring in a flood of donations from overjoyed conservatives and tea-party members. Romney had a problem with energizing the GOP base. That problem is now solved, and that will make it easier to pump up conservative turnout.

Democrats will no doubt try to make Paul Ryan into a younger version of the devil they’ve tried to paint Mitt Romney as. But they should worry about fighting a campaign on fundamental issues in a weak economy. That’s precisely how Jimmy Carter, the last Democratic president to run for reelection during hard times, wound up losing so badly that it not only cost Democrats control of the U.S. Senate but damaging the liberal brand for years afterwards.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund


Frankly, it looks like Ryan would make a better President than Romney even though Romney would far and away make a better president than Obama.
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Paul Ryan is Romney's VP Pick.

Bc, if you were praying for a candidate who is a firm believer in Ion Rand, your prayers have been answered.

"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," Ryan said during a 2005 event honoring Rand in Washington, D.C., the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported in April 2009.

During the 2005 gathering, Ryan told the audience, "Almost every fight we are involved in here on Capitol Hill ... is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict -- individualism versus collectivism." The event was hosted by The Atlas Society, which prominently features a photo of Rand on its website and describes itself as a group that "promotes open Objectivism: the philosophy of reason, achievement, individualism, and freedom."


Ryan wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and privatize Social Security. He also wants to increase the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. He's got his eyes on "objectivism".
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How on earth is the 1st congressional district a "Democratic district?" It's a swing district with a slight Republican lean. Or it was. It's recently been gerrymandered to be redder. Obama carried it by 4 points when when he carried the state by a much larger margin because of that fact.

You don't have to take my word for it. The Cook Partisan Voting Index rates it as a +2 Republican lean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Parti ... l_district

Ryan has run against some particularly poor candidates. They were not meaningfully funded and had baffling campaigns. Jeffery Thomas, who he ran against a bunch of times, campaigned heavily on being pro-life. Which is insane because 1) so is Ryan and 2) that's not exactly something that is going to appeal to the people who would normally vote for him. Still, forgetting that, Ryan has been very successful in the first district. That doesn't mean he'd have broad appeal. That's a facile analysis. The entire country isn't Janesville. And beyond that, VP's have almost no impact on presidential election outcomes.
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The Ithsmus is radically left-wing? Heh. That's Madison's weekly newspaper. It's liberal, but "radically left-wing" is overshooting it. Which is funny, because Madison isn't want for actual radically leftwing publications.

I remember the article that this article is referring to. And I don't remember it being positive.

Here it is:

http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/article. ... icle=25584

It's quite negative. This article quotemined the bejeesus out of that by using quotes to imply that it was a demonstration of Ryan's ability to even appeal to the left. The article is primarily an argument that Ryan's national stage to be seen promoting his ideas will hurt him back home.
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Finally, George W. Bush carried Ryan's district both times. So the article is wrong about that too. I'm not sure if the Ryan quote is legit, but he's either mistaken or lying if that's what he said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... nsin,_2004

54/46 Bush vs. Kerry in 2004. Kerry, if you recall, won the state of Wisconsin.
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Way to do basic fact checking on that article John Fund.
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as i said earlier, the Ryan pick is a gift to the Obama campaign. Democrats have been trying to elevate this guy in the public mind for at least a year now just so they could use him as a whipping boy.

Rubio was the only shortlister who would have caused me any concern.
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I think it's fair to say that the poor and the elderly are frightened of Ryan...
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Ryan wants to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and privatize Social Security. He also wants to increase the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. He's got his eyes on "objectivism".


WRONG!!!

No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim:
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Re: Ryan: Democrats are very afraid of him.

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Brackite wrote:WRONG!!!


No. That's true. Paul Ryan wants to change medicare into a program highly similar to Obamacare for the elderly. That he calls his new program medicare doesn't change the fact that the current program would be ended. I forget the exact year it cuts off, but people are grandfathered in for the next decade or so, then the old program is cut off. When you reform a program to the point that it is utterly different than what came before it, it is perfectly reasonable to say the old program is being ended, even if you choose to keep the same name.
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