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Davis said in June that he thinks his one time political party was becoming more unwelcoming towards Southern conservative Democrats.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/15/former-obama-campaign-co-chair-to-stump-for-romney/

He's 40-50 years late making that realization but better late than never. Welcome aboard!

Remember when you giddily point out that Republicans supported the civil rights act in greater %'s than Democrats? And it's pointed out to you that's because southern conservative Democrats, a.k.a. dixiecrats, used to be the seat of racism? But, due to shifts in political winds, the modern dixiecrats are now essentially the very base of the Republican party while the liberal republicans who strongly backed civil rights have gradually vanished?

Yeah, I think this story is related to that story somehow...

actually, Davis is African-American.

this is the guy who wanted to get elected governor of Alabama and decided that the only way that would be possible would be for him to completely sell out his own party and his own race. so he voted against Obama's health care reform, and he supported voter id laws, and distanced himself from the state Democratic party. unfortunately for him he overdid it and got trounced in the Democratic primary. however, it's possible that was part of the plan all along, since within a year he was already feeding at the wingnut welfare trough.

EAllusion wrote:Remember when you giddily point out that Republicans supported the civil rights act in greater %'s than Democrats? And it's pointed out to you that's because southern conservative Democrats, a.k.a. dixiecrats, used to be the seat of racism? But, due to shifts in political winds, the modern dixiecrats are now essentially the very base of the Republican party while the liberal republicans who strongly backed civil rights have gradually vanished?

Yeah, I think this story is related to that story somehow...

Problem with that story of yours is that it's Liberal Propaganda that isn't the truth at all.
Every liberal I've seen regurgitates that story as if it's the actual truth of history to justify their false belief that Republican's are now the racists.

Republicans are the same as we've always been. There is no difference in us from now or in the past.
The only people who have "changed" are Democrats. You have gone from being mostly conservative with simply some bad liberal leanings to now being entirely liberal with only SOME good leanings. The fringe communists and socialists who were marginalized in the past, have now been adopted fully into the Democrat party. While it's true most in the party don't realize that has happened, being still somewhat conservative, they swallow the propaganda unfortunately and don't read between the lines.

Anyway, fact is, a small section of the South isn't even close to being the Republican Party of today. Further, racist Democrat's are still well within the south, not republicans. If you were paying attention the last election, there were tons of interviews with Hilary supporters from the South that made racist statements toward Obama. Yet, nothing even close like that from Republicans.

Republicans don't live "racial politics" like you liberals do. We don't care one way or another a persons race. We judge a man according to his character. To prove it with just one of 1,000's of examples, just look at the liberal charge that Republicans don't like Obama because he's black. We would feel the same if he was white. We would feel the same if he was Gore, Kerry, or any number of nutball liberals.

So, who's focusing on skin color there..... us or YOUR SIDE???

ldsfaqs wrote:Every liberal I've seen regurgitates that story as if it's the actual truth of history to justify their false belief that Republican's are now the racists.

Please explain what happened with these electoral maps:

1952:



2008:

Republicans are the same as we've always been. There is no difference in us from now or in the past.

Ok. Who is the current Bob LaFollette of the Republican party? Name 10 politicians that represent the progressive faction within the Republican party, like one could easily do in the early part of the 20th century.

Remember when the gold standard was one of the most important issues of the Republican party? Yeah, I know you don't. But trust me, it was. You might want to look up which party ended that. What happened?

Yet, nothing even close like that from Republicans.

Go to Fox Nation sometime. It's basically a Klan rally over there.

Anyway:



Edit:

Aw man. I almost missed the chance to shoe-horn in a link to an awesomely racist ad. Fortunately, I didn't miss it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ3B8WvVjL4

EAllusion wrote:Please explain what happened with these electoral maps:

That's easy.....Democrats/Liberals where primarily situated in the South because of their historical ideology of slavery, racism etc., while the rest of the country were still pretty rural, conservative thus Republican. Most population of the country where Eastern, the North still mostly conservative being the values that fought the Civil War against the South, while the South was still mostly liberal.

Then, as populations centers exploded, cities became primarily liberal because of the lowered morals and standards that more rural communities tended/tend to create, thus keeping conservative values. Thus, all the liberal bastions are primarily cities. For example, California used to be mostly conservative, now it's mostly liberal as it became hugely populated. Nevada while most of the state is conservative, because Las Vegas has the highest population the state now ends up going liberal.

Notice how the only place where conservatism is still strong is in the center of the country where there is the least population, thus more rural and traditional. Remember also that even though many states now go liberal, there is still in many a significant conservative population. It's sadly now the states and country is becoming more liberal, not surprising since morality and character is also in decline.

Anyway, what do YOU think the map means???

Ok. Who is the current Bob LaFollette of the Republican party? Name 10 politicians that represent the progressive faction within the Republican party, like one could easily do in the early part of the 20th century.

And that's supposed to be a good thing???

I don't like him, and I'm glad there aren't such people in the party today.
And to be clear, his straw-man judgments of corporations are just as wrong today as they were then, that are also embraced by liberals today. Not that there aren't things that can be improved and modified, but I don't tolerate the generalized unfair demonization to get elected, the pitting of the halves and halve nots, class warfare. It's immoral. There are a small number of more liberal republicans, but fortunately we've gotten most of them out.

Further, note that his was a "breakaway" party, not true conservatives or republicans. Obviously I'm not claiming that some of the legit issues he may have attack were true republicans, they weren't, but still. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water, and you don't join the dark side.

Remember when the gold standard was one of the most important issues of the Republican party? Yeah, I know you don't. But trust me, it was. You might want to look up which party ended that. What happened?

I'm well aware of the Gold standard issue. FYI, I'm not a proponent of the Gold standard.
I believe in the current system, but with some serious tweeks to make it work better and correctly.

Go to Fox Nation sometime. It's basically a Klan rally over there.

As a Conservative, who knows my values, actions, beliefs, and knows those of my fellow conservatives, including Fox News, when a person says that kind of thing, you frankly lose all credibility if you ever had any.

That statment is liberal lying propaganda about Fox, not what actually occurs at Fox.
There are liberals whom I'm friends with and who know me, and wouldn't in a million years accuse me of such. You accuse those I identify with, you accuse me. That makes you a bigot and ignorantly evil, for such a false accusation.

Anyway:

So, out of millions of Conservatives, many of which I personally and generally know, you're going to cherry pick some slightly racist thing and person and paint the rest of us that way???

FYI.... I say "slightly" because I understand it. While in the Marine Corps Combat School, we were on a 20 mile hump. Behind me there was a slightly retarded and pretty weak kid, who had got in because he new someone. Behind him was this black kid, a real jerk. He would often push the retarded kid and say mean things to him. So eventually, I asked him respectfully to leave the kid alone, that it wasn't appropriate, to give him a break. That night, the retarded kid and I were hooch mates. In the middle of the night, I was pulled out of my hooch, held down and was proceeded to be beat on by some 10 black guys, most from other platoons. Turns out, the kid I had asked to knock it off had went around and told other blacks that I was racist. Anyway, later when telling others in my platoon, I called him a "n*****". I wasn't meaning it in a racist way, I was meaning it in a very angry, calling him a scumbag way that applies to him. Never used the word in my life, never thought of blacks that way, had good friends who were black, etc. So, I can understand how someone might be very angry with Obama, and would make a play on the word. In this contest, it's not appropriate, and is over the line, thus more racist in connotation, but I understand the anger.

Anyway, still doesn't change the point, that Republican's aren't the racists, simply because someone might be. I won't condemn all Liberals simply because you have pedophiles among you, or any number of groups that are slimy.

Edit:

Aw man. I almost missed the chance to shoe-horn in a link to an awesomely racist ad. Fortunately, I didn't miss it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ3B8WvVjL4

Frankly, the only thing I saw that was slightly "racist" was the Hahn lady's comment in the video. Otherwise, it was simply a standard rap video mocking liberals, and it was clearly created by blacks. Not a single thing racist otherwise. Makes a lot of sense you know, blacks being racist against themselves??? Use your brain will you.

You are acting the predicable liberal, creating racism where there is none.
It's the same as you guys creating "racism" from most of the tea party signs that were simply "offensive" or "provocative" but not racist in any way..... well, at least they weren't when liberals used the same signs and themes against Bush..... turns out of all the tea party all these years, liberals have only found like maybe 3 signs that were actually racist and wrong.....

Ya, those "racist" Republicans..... 3-20 maybe out of millions!!! Means THEY ALL "RACIST"!!!!

by the way, there are black conservatives..... Here's a couple of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AllenWestForCongress/videos

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84

ldsfaqs wrote:That's easy.....Democrats/Liberals where primarily situated in the South

Dear lord. Democrats were primarily situated in the South. Liberals were not. It's like you have no idea what the words even mean. Well, scratch "It's like..."

That's easy.....Democrats/Liberals where primarily situated in the South because of their historical ideology of slavery, racism etc., while the rest of the country were still pretty rural, conservative thus Republican.

Ah yes, rural 1950's New York. Not like that urban nightmare that is 1950's Alabama.

Anyway, what do YOU think the map means???

The map reflects a significant change in voting patterns that occurred from the late 1950's through the 1980's, with trickle effects occurring even toady. The South was solidly Democrat for about 100 years after the Civil War as the Republican party was the party of opposition to the South in the civil war and reconstruction. FDR Democrats were a broad coalition of Northern liberals and Southern Democrat conservatives. A schism occurred in this coalition between Southern Democrats and Northern liberals in significant part over the issue of civil rights. Republican anti-federalism (i.e. "states rights") was coincidentally friendly to segregationist defenses of the time. The Southern Democrats responded by gradually shifting to Republicans, which Republicans pushed with their "Southern Strategy". Meanwhile, northern liberal Republicans gradually shifted to the Democrat party. The other big piece of the picture was the parallel effectiveness of Republicans motivating conservative Christian loyalty and turnout. The South is much more influenced by conservative Christian thought. The eventual net effect was a near total regional role reversal in party politics.

And that's supposed to be a good thing???

If the Republican party hasn't changed, I'm curious to know where the progressive wing of it is since that used to be a significant feature of the party in turn of the century politics.

Further, note that his was a "breakaway" party,

It broke away after literally decades of being a movement inside of the Republican party. I thought the Republican party was the same as it always has been. I'm aware that you want to no true scotsman up the joint like a boss, but that won't help you explain how the party hasn't changed.

I'm well aware of the Gold standard issue. FYI, I'm not a proponent of the Gold standard.
I believe in the current system, but with some serious tweeks to make it work better and correctly.

Republicans: Used to be hardcore goldbugs. Like, that was one of the primary issues that presidential campaigns were fought over. The gold standard was ended under Nixon. He had an R after his name. Outside of some Ron Paul type fringe circles, Republicans barely seem to care about the gold standard now. You, a Republican, just got done saying you don't care much and maybe possibly could live with it. I thought Republicans are an eternal unchanging rock?

As a Conservative, who knows my values, actions, beliefs, and knows those of my fellow conservatives, including Fox News, when a person says that kind of thing, you frankly lose all credibility if you ever had any.

Fox Nation comments sections once a race issue gets touched are nearly wall-to-wall vile racism. You almost feel bad for the moderators there. I figured you'd go with arguing that those are liberal plants, so good job throwing me a curveball.

So, out of millions of Conservatives, many of which I personally and generally know, you're going to cherry pick some slightly racist thing and person and paint the rest of us that way???

I'm contradicting what you just said. That's all.

FYI.... I say "slightly" because I understand it. While in the Marine Corps Combat School, we were on a 20 mile hump. Behind me there was a slightly r******* and pretty weak kid, who had got in because he new someone. Behind him was this black kid, a real jerk. He would often push the r******* kid and say mean things to him. So eventually, I asked him respectfully to leave the kid alone, that it wasn't appropriate, to give him a break. That night, the r******* kid and I were hooch mates. In the middle of the night, I was pulled out of my hooch, held down and was proceeded to be beat on by some 10 black guys, most from other platoons. Turns out, the kid I had asked to knock it off had went around and told other blacks that I was racist. Anyway, later when telling others in my platoon, I called him a "n*****". I wasn't meaning it in a racist way, I was meaning it in a very angry, calling him a scumbag way that applies to him. Never used the word in my life, never thought of blacks that way, had good friends who were black, etc. So, I can understand how someone might be very angry with Obama, and would make a play on the word. In this contest, it's not appropriate, and is over the line, thus more racist in connotation, but I understand the anger.

Wow.

Frankly, the only thing I saw that was slightly "racist" was the Hahn lady's comment in the video.

Of course.

Otherwise, it was simply a standard rap video mocking liberals, and

Yeah, it's not playing on racist stereotypes or anything.

it was clearly created by blacks.

Clearly. You forgot to mention that you have black friends, so what you are saying is Ok. Well, you forgot to say it again.

ldsfaqs wrote:FYI.... I say "slightly" because I understand it. While in the Marine Corps Combat School, we were on a 20 mile hump. Behind me there was a slightly r******* and pretty weak kid, who had got in because he new someone. Behind him was this black kid, a real jerk. He would often push the r******* kid and say mean things to him. So eventually, I asked him respectfully to leave the kid alone, that it wasn't appropriate, to give him a break. That night, the r******* kid and I were hooch mates. In the middle of the night, I was pulled out of my hooch, held down and was proceeded to be beat on by some 10 black guys, most from other platoons. Turns out, the kid I had asked to knock it off had went around and told other blacks that I was racist. Anyway, later when telling others in my platoon, I called him a "n*****". I wasn't meaning it in a racist way, I was meaning it in a very angry, calling him a scumbag way that applies to him. Never used the word in my life, never thought of blacks that way, had good friends who were black, etc. So, I can understand how someone might be very angry with Obama, and would make a play on the word. In this contest, it's not appropriate, and is over the line, thus more racist in connotation, but I understand the anger.

...what the hell...

Ya ya.... Mock away. That's all you have is personal attacks and perverted arguments.