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Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:42 am
by _Kevin Graham
... for the banking industry no less. In so doing, he's effectively conceding that he stands no chance of ever obtaining office again.
Wow, how many more Romney supporters will tuck tail and run before this election is over and done with?
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:05 am
by _bcspace
According to NBC News’ Andrew Rafferty, Pawlenty has been pursuing a private sector gig since dropping out of the presidential race last summer.
For a million dollar salary? I'd take it. Hopeful predictions of doom and gloom have been grossly exaggerated in this case. Even skewed Gallup has Romney even with Obama again (despite threats of legal action from the Obama Admin). RealClearPolictics, who's average includes several heavily Democratically skewed polls, has the 3.5 gap in favor of Obama at the beginning of the week narrowing to 2.8 now.
Yawn.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:09 am
by _Dr. Shades
bcspace wrote:Even skewed Gallup has Romney even with Obama again (despite threats of legal action from the Obama Admin).
What's this? Are you implying that the Obama campaign would sue a polling firm for the way the people polled answered?
I don't buy it.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:17 pm
by _EAllusion
Dr. Shades wrote:bcspace wrote:Even skewed Gallup has Romney even with Obama again (despite threats of legal action from the Obama Admin).
What's this? Are you implying that the Obama campaign would sue a polling firm for the way the people polled answered?
I don't buy it.
You have to be able to read conspiratorial freeper to parse this. The justice department is taking part in a civil lawsuit against gallup for overcharging the government for unrelated polling work.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:53 pm
by _mledbetter
EAllusion wrote:You have to be able to read conspiratorial freeper to parse this. The justice department is taking part in a civil lawsuit against gallup for overcharging the government for unrelated polling work.
It's actually for overestimating time and expenses to perform certain work, which is what all contractors do. It's how they make their profits. Also, it's better to come to a customer and say it's going to take a week and it only takes 3 days than the other way around.
by the way, the polls are always tilted slightly to the left, for a number of reasons. One of them being, we conservative rarely take those polling calls, and when we do we give them bogus information.
You guys act so shocked every election when there were far more conservatives at the voting booths than what the polls showed, yet you lap this stuff up every time.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:17 pm
by _EAllusion
I didn't meant to imply I'm taking sides in the lawsuit. I'm just clarifying what it is about for Shades. The lawsuit is about charged services, though.
Regarding polling biases, last presidential election RCP's poll of polls had Obama and McCain both underestimated by about 1%, which reflected uncertainty. It was essentially dead-on. Exit polls tend to have a slight (1-2%) Democrat bias, but pre-election polling for president tends to be right on the money when averaged because the data is so dense. Different polling firms have different house biases due to methodology differences, but those tend to cancel each other out. For every PPP and co. there is a Rasmussen.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:30 pm
by _mledbetter
That is true, in around mid to late October and Nov. We haven't had the debates yet, and those are the wildcards in this game. We'll just have to see what happens.
I remember when Kerry was running, and polls where showing him in the lead all the way up until the debates.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.htmlOf course, that could also have been his swift boating.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:07 pm
by _bcspace
Even skewed Gallup has Romney even with Obama again (despite threats of legal action from the Obama Admin).
What's this? Are you implying that the Obama campaign would sue a polling firm for the way the people polled answered?
I don't buy it.
They certainly wouldn't put it in those terms. Rather, they would make up something such as taking too long to get results as soon as the polls for Obama started going south in order to send a message.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:00 pm
by _MeDotOrg
Kevin Graham wrote:... for the banking industry no less. In so doing, he's effectively conceding that he stands no chance of ever obtaining office again.
Wow, how many more Romney supporters will tuck tail and run before this election is over and done with?
I don't understand the confusion here. Working for Romney and working for the Financial Services Industry - aren't those the same thing? Just different signatures on the paycheck.
I mean lobbying for big business - how is that different that working on the Romney campaign? Tim just decided to cash in a little early, that's all.
Re: Pawlenty drops Romney to become a lobbyist...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:25 pm
by _palerobber
mledbetter wrote:That is true, in around mid to late October and Nov. We haven't had the debates yet, and those are the wildcards in this game. We'll just have to see what happens.
I remember when Kerry was running, and polls where showing him in the lead all the way up until the debates.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.htmlOf course, that could also have been his swift boating.
your memory is faulty -- Kerry never led in the
RCP composite after the GOP Convention at the end of August. the first debate wasn't until Sep. 30, at which point Bush was up by 6 points.