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hatersinmyward wrote:


Did you know the cost of NAMI's reading materials is paid for by LILLY Corp & Pfizer so they can ruin a person's life when they aren't sick. Just read one of their manuals, they put a little pharma logo in the corner of every page.

The doctors never inform their patients about the effects of withdrawal, which mimic psychosis(derrr). But it's really just withdrawal which is a scare tactic put upon people so they'll stay hooked.

I was reading online this scam is under criminal investigation.

I go back and forth on the issue of psychotropics. Your point of view deserves consideration but is also in danger of getting pulled into full on paranoid conspiracy thinking. I am sure the truth is in the middle somewhere. Some people are best when medicated and nothing else will do. It will not do to just base the decision on the opinion of the person whose judgement is impaired by mental illness.
On the other hand, the drawbacks of such medications are probably underestimated by mainstream medicine and there are probably many people who could be weened off such drugs.
It is a difficult issue.

Tarski wrote:
I go back and forth on the issue of psychotropics. Your point of view deserves consideration but is also in danger of getting pulled into full on paranoid conspiracy thinking.

A link to one of the many sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_A ... ll#Funding

liz3564 wrote:


I agree that sometimes wrong diagnoses and wrong medications are prescribed at times.

at times? AT TIMES?...

How do you classify 40% of this country's populous taking that crap at times?

Not to mention 70% of Utah's population.

On top of that the Mormon's own; Lilly Pharmaceuticals(Eli Lilly) Wallgreens(Eli Lilly) and all the people on Pfizer's board are LDS.

Meanwhile, these Mormon Suits are pushing androgel like it's flippin' candy. Weed is far less dangerous for a person than anabolic steroids by far, yet androgel's kosher because you get it form your doctor.wtf!!!

No Frickin way... Do you realize how much money the Pharmaceutical companies will make off of Obamacare?

However, all I was trying to do was find a resource that might help someone who has already been diagnosed with Bi Polar disease some help.

You meant well of course, can't hate you for that.


Darrick is the primary concern here so I'll back off of this subject for now.

hatersinmyward wrote:
Meanwhile, these Mormon Suits are pushing androgel like it's flippin' candy. Weed is far less dangerous for a person than anabolic steroids by far, yet androgel's kosher because you get it form your doctor.wtf!!!

what?! Androgel is rather innocent. It is wrong to compare bioidentical testosterone with synthetic anabolic steroids like dianabol or deca.

Testosterone is a substance in a normal male body and has been tested by nature for millions of years. It is "natural" (I am committing the naturalistic fallacy of course--but it is true in an important sense). The goal of transdermal TRT creams and gels is merely to keep the level of natural testosterone at a relatively youthful level and not at the supraphysiologic levels sought by bodybuilders. Bodybuilders know that it has basically zero visible effect. A bodybuilder who used testosterone would seek to reach blood levels at least ten times as much as what one could get from a silly T-cream.
Used properly it is one of the most innocent pharmaceuticals out there. in my opinion, Advil is way way more dangerous and Tylenol even worse.
Testosterone creams are available at local "compounding pharmacies" as well. One doesn't have to support big pharma.
It is popular with doctors that are big on "natural" medicine. (Not that I think such so called natural products are the way to go--some of that is nonsense. The homeopathic stuff is absolute nonsense.)

On the other hand, there is no patent on it (test itself) and so it is hard to make money off of. I suspect any systematic effort to bad mouth it might be traced to plans for marketing of a synthetic alternative with a better promise for profit but more unknowns. Beware. I am personally quite confident that real testosterone is the better choice.

Again, it is primarily for the aged male. It helps maintain bone density, normal musculature and maybe even libido.

Androgel will not make you buff like Arnold and it will not likely cause other major health problems--at least for most people.

Please don't start another irrational uninformed campaign!


Besides, I doubt the Mormons are pushing it. That sounds like your imagination.

Tarski wrote:what?! Androgel is rather innocent. It is wrong to compare bioidentical testosterone with synthetic anabolic steroids like dianabol or deca.

Testosterone is a substance in a normal male body and has been tested by nature for millions of years. It is "natural" (I am committing the naturalistic fallacy of course--but it is true in an important sense). The goal of transdermal TRT creams and gels is merely to keep the level of natural testosterone at a relatively youthful level and not at the supraphysiologic levels sought by bodybuilders. Bodybuilders know that it has basically zero visible effect. A bodybuilder who used testosterone would seek to reach blood levels at least ten times as much as what one could get from a silly T-cream.
Used properly it is one of the most innocent pharmaceuticals out there. in my opinion, Advil is way way more dangerous and Tylenol even worse.
Testosterone creams are available at local "compounding pharmacies" as well. One doesn't have to support big pharma.
It is popular with doctors that are big on "natural" medicine. (Not that I think such so called natural products are the way to go--some of that is nonsense. The homeopathic stuff is absolute nonsense.)

On the other hand, there is no patent on it (test itself) and so it is hard to make money off of. I suspect any systematic effort to bad mouth it might be traced to plans for marketing of a synthetic alternative with a better promise for profit but more unknowns. Beware. I am personally quite confident that real testosterone is the better choice.

Again, it is primarily for the aged male. It helps maintain bone density, normal musculature and maybe even libido.

Androgel will not make you buff like Arnold and it will not likely cause other major health problems--at least for most people.

Please don't start another irrational uninformed campaign!

It's clear you don't know jacksquat about steroids. steroids weren't* classified a controlled substance because "they became common place at the gym". they were classified a controlled substance because they're an incredibly addictive drug.

Androgel is marketed towards older men, but practically anyone can get it. Steroids are a big time confidence boost, this confidence boost causes a serious mental addiction. It gives the user charisma and attention. Their personality begins to revolve around the new found charisma and people can't give it up.

When a man stops taking steroids his testosterone level doesn't go down right away, It sky-rockets. It can take upwards of a year before testosterone levels go back down to normal. These low levels cause the physical addiction, Men don't want those crazy hormone levels. Not to mention severe itchy skin the accompanies the detox.

just me wrote:

On top of that the Mormon's own; Lilly Pharmaceuticals(Eli Lilly) Wallgreens(Eli Lilly) and all the people on Pfizer's board are LDS.

I'm gonna need proof on this. Fascinating, if true.

Here's a list of retired LDS pharmaceutical executives. This is their retirement venture run out of S.L.C.

http://www.npsp.com/page/board/index.v3page

Eli Lilly was a Mormon through and through. Lilly Corp has never left Mormon hands.

hatersinmyward wrote:

just me wrote:
I'm gonna need proof on this. Fascinating, if true.

Here's a list of retired LDS pharmaceutical executives. This is their retirement venture run out of S.L.C.

http://www.npsp.com/page/board/index.v3page

Eli Lilly was a Mormon through and through. Lilly Corp has never left Mormon hands.

I'm confused. The link says this place is run out of New Jersey. Also, none of those bios say they are LDS. How am I to know who is LDS from that link?

hatersinmyward wrote:

Tarski wrote:what?! Androgel is rather innocent. It is wrong to compare bioidentical testosterone with synthetic anabolic steroids like dianabol or deca.

Testosterone is a substance in a normal male body and has been tested by nature for millions of years. It is "natural" (I am committing the naturalistic fallacy of course--but it is true in an important sense). The goal of transdermal TRT creams and gels is merely to keep the level of natural testosterone at a relatively youthful level and not at the supraphysiologic levels sought by bodybuilders. Bodybuilders know that it has basically zero visible effect. A bodybuilder who used testosterone would seek to reach blood levels at least ten times as much as what one could get from a silly T-cream.
Used properly it is one of the most innocent pharmaceuticals out there. in my opinion, Advil is way way more dangerous and Tylenol even worse.
Testosterone creams are available at local "compounding pharmacies" as well. One doesn't have to support big pharma.
It is popular with doctors that are big on "natural" medicine. (Not that I think such so called natural products are the way to go--some of that is nonsense. The homeopathic stuff is absolute nonsense.)

On the other hand, there is no patent on it (test itself) and so it is hard to make money off of. I suspect any systematic effort to bad mouth it might be traced to plans for marketing of a synthetic alternative with a better promise for profit but more unknowns. Beware. I am personally quite confident that real testosterone is the better choice.

Again, it is primarily for the aged male. It helps maintain bone density, normal musculature and maybe even libido.

Androgel will not make you buff like Arnold and it will not likely cause other major health problems--at least for most people.

Please don't start another irrational uninformed campaign!

It's clear you don't know jacksquat about steroids. Androgel wasn't classified a controlled substance because "it became common place at the gym". It was classified a controlled substance because it's an incredibly addictive drug.

Androgel is marketed towards older men, but practically anyone can get it. Steroids are a big time confidence boost, this confidence boost causes a serious mental addiction. It gives the user charisma and attention. Their personality begins to revolve around the new found charisma and people can't give it up.

When a man stops taking steroids his testosterone level doesn't go down right away, It sky-rockets. It can take upwards of a year before testosterone levels go back down to normal. These low levels cause the physical addiction, Men don't want those crazy hormone levels. Not to mention severe itchy skin the accompanies the detox.

LOL!! Jesus! What utter complete BS. Androgel transdermally delivers a tiny amount of normal hormone that you have in your body right now. Is that a drug?? It isn't addictive at all. Levels do not skyrocket when you quit--the reverse would be true, if anything, since the exogenous hormone has suppressed the LH levels meaning the body will not be producing its own testosterone until it realizes that it needs to do so. The latter isn't an issue if you are aged and not producing enough endogenous testosterone anymore anyway. In that case quiting just means you will have suboptimal amounts of a fundamental male hormone.

Using androgel as prescribed is nothing like steriod abuse--not at all----not even remotely.
Used properly, it brings T-levels of old farts to that of a younger man like yourself. This is good for the bones and stuff. If you try to overuse it you simply run out before you can refill it--no point in that.
So far from being addictive, it is actually hard to remember to use, quite inconvenient, and offers no more immediate reward than a calcium supplement.
Get a clue! You are truly ignorant on this.

just me wrote:I'm confused. The link says this place is run out of New Jersey.

The website is misleading.


James U. Jensen(Who isn't listed on the NPS website for whatever reason)

http://famousmormons.net/bus02.html

How am I to know who is LDS from that link?

If you want to check all of their religious affiliations please be my guest. Though I'm not sure any websites have that information.

Walgreens is still under Mormon control. At one point 2 or 3 Mormons left Lilly and went to pfizer.