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Apparently the ranking member of the House Science Committee believes that evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. He also thinks the universe is less than 10,000 years old and disbelieves in big bang theory, embryology, and almost certainly holds a wonderful range of idiotic views that tend to correlate with those.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/C ... 924955.php

This makes you feel good about America.

Sooner or later this anti-science boil will have to be lanced. How, I don't know.

EAllusion wrote:Apparently the ranking member of the House Science Committee believes that evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. He also thinks the universe is less than 10,000 years old and disbelieves in big bang theory, embryology, and almost certainly holds a wonderful range of idiotic views that tend to correlate with those.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/C ... 924955.php

This makes you feel good about America.

Cheer up, EAllusion. Sure Paul Broun a ranking member of the House Science Committee, but there are other, more rational minds on the Committee.

Men like Todd Akin from Missouri.

I understand they are considering funding an expedition via dirigible to explore the Sun. They will make the landing at night. Bring your own pith helmet.

I actually agree with the guy. Such theories are the work of satan to confuse the truth. It is the written revelation of God against man's investigations and determinations. Evolution has never brought one person to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible has.

LittleNipper wrote:I actually agree with the guy. Such theories are the work of satan to confuse the truth. It is the written revelation of God against man's investigations and determinations. Evolution has never brought one person to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible has.

Yes.
You are true, and the Earth is flat.

Who thinks the Earth is flat?
Less people than you think. Most people have the representation of Columbus valiantly fighting against the authorities and finally convincing these obscurantist scholars coming right from the middle-ages (actually it was the middle-ages) that the Earth is round and not flat. It turns out that this is not true at all: medieval scholars have always known that the Earth is round.

Children then? Surely children fall for the flat Earth? Studies by Stella Vosniadou and her colleagues in the 90’s were conforting this idea: in some experiments, children tended to draw flat Earths. However, these results have also been disputed: using a simpler methodology, Gavin Nobes and his colleagues have shown that children prefer round Earths.

The Flammarion woodcut:
[#img] http://lumiere.ens.fr/~alphapsy/blog/im ... 0earth.jpg[#/img]

I'm a bit ashamed to admit that until a few days ago, I thought that the flat Earth was a common misconception in the middle-ages.

No, it is a common misconception today.

LittleNipper wrote:It is the written revelation of God against man's investigations and determinations.

... so flying to the Moon was against god's will. Your nation will be damned forever.

ludwigm wrote:

LittleNipper wrote:I actually agree with the guy. Such theories are the work of satan to confuse the truth. It is the written revelation of God against man's investigations and determinations. Evolution has never brought one person to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible has.

Yes.
You are true, and the Earth is flat.

Who thinks the Earth is flat?
Less people than you think. Most people have the representation of Columbus valiantly fighting against the authorities and finally convincing these obscurantist scholars coming right from the middle-ages (actually it was the middle-ages) that the Earth is round and not flat. It turns out that this is not true at all: medieval scholars have always known that the Earth is round.

Children then? Surely children fall for the flat Earth? Studies by Stella Vosniadou and her colleagues in the 90’s were conforting this idea: in some experiments, children tended to draw flat Earths. However, these results have also been disputed: using a simpler methodology, Gavin Nobes and his colleagues have shown that children prefer round Earths.

The Flammarion woodcut:
[#img] http://lumiere.ens.fr/~alphapsy/blog/im ... 0earth.jpg[#/img]

I'm a bit ashamed to admit that until a few days ago, I thought that the flat Earth was a common misconception in the middle-ages.

No, it is a common misconception today.

LittleNipper wrote:It is the written revelation of God against man's investigations and determinations.

... so flying to the Moon was against god's will. Your nation will be damned forever.

The Bible never states that the world is flat. Please see: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_ ... teach.html

EAllusion wrote:Apparently the ranking member of the House Science Committee believes that evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. He also thinks the universe is less than 10,000 years old and disbelieves in big bang theory, embryology, and almost certainly holds a wonderful range of idiotic views that tend to correlate with those.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/C ... 924955.php

This makes you feel good about America.

It's embarrassing because this moron is from my home state. We have a lot of that crap down here, it would seem.

mledbetter wrote:

EAllusion wrote:Apparently the ranking member of the House Science Committee believes that evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. He also thinks the universe is less than 10,000 years old and disbelieves in big bang theory, embryology, and almost certainly holds a wonderful range of idiotic views that tend to correlate with those.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/C ... 924955.php

This makes you feel good about America.

It's embarrassing because this moron is from my home state. We have a lot of that crap down here, it would seem.

A "moron" is someone who thinks everything that is, spontaniously happened for no reason whatsoever. And to top it off, that life originated from the inert on its own --- though such "morons" cannot prove either.

LN wrote:Evolution has never brought one person to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

This isn't true evolution brings people to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus all the time you don't know what you're talking about.

LittleNipper wrote:A "moron" is someone who thinks everything that is, spontaniously happened for no reason whatsoever. And to top it off, that life originated from the inert on its own --- though such "morons" cannot prove either.

I really don't think you're understanding the Big Bang theory at all. There are particles that pop in and out of existence all the time. We see effects from it all the time, so no it's not "proof" in the scientific sense since nothing is as there are no absolutes in the natural world, but it's a pretty clear sign they're on to something.

Virtual particles- do some google foo, they're absolutely fascinating, the Casimir effect is probably the most well-known and easy observable. They're the best lead we have, but that doesn't mean anything. We may never figure it out, but at least it's one explanation among many.

I don't understand how this stuff works even for a second, but I know they do well enough to make space travel possible. I haven't figured out how to jump more than a couple feet. I know the religious community deeply distrusts the scientific whenever there's a contradiction, but the scientific community still performs bringing us technology we could have never fathomed every month. I've never seen god described in anything more than feelings. If he's hiding that well, how can he eternally judge his children on a MORAL basis for not believing him when he doesn't provide any evidence? That's my biggest issue with religion. I'm not sure I'm able to express with words my problem with the notion of morally and eternally judging someone based on faith when he's trying this gosh darn hard to hide from everyone. When someone chooses to not assume anything, and never sees anything from god, how is that morally worthy of eternal torment? It'd be beyond sadistic.

But anyways scientists produce, it's called technology. We're planning space travel to Mars, have landed on the moon, are giving you a computer to type on and extended your life from 25 in the Bronze age to maybe over 100 in 20 years. I'm not sure I've conclusively seen God do anything, and I'm being completely honest with you.

How are you just going to ignore everything centuries of experts in their professions that understand these laws so well they're producing technological results, based on the fact it contradicts a pre-conceived notion of an ancient god(s) that haven't done anything verifiable?