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Democrats: Opposed to the Constitution

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:27 pm
by _bcspace
President Obama — Obama said he supported eliminating the Electoral College as a Senate candidate during a WTTW television debate against Republican Alan Keyes in 2004.

When asked, “Yes or no, eliminate the Electoral College?” Obama responded, “Yes … I think, at this point, this is breaking down.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — Shortly after the 2000 election, as a newly-minted Senator-elect, Clinton called for direct elections of the president. She argued the country has changed since the Electoral College was put in place.

“We are a very different country than we were 200 years ago,” Clinton said at a news conference.

“I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it’s time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president.”

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) — Five days after the 2000 election, Schumer called the U.S. voting system "antediluvian" and called for a study of simplified procedures. He, too, favored scrapping the Electoral College but said three-fourths of the states would never ratify an amendment.

“It won’t happen,” he said, according to The Associated Press.

Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) — The minority whip acted as soothsayer for the split-ticket election results in 2000.

A week before the Nov. 7 election that year, Durbin announced his plan to introduce legislation to do away with the Electoral College process, calling it a “dinosaur.”

"Our current system disenfranchises millions of voters who happen to vote for the losing presidential candidate in their state," Durbin said. “The electoral college is an 18th century invention that never should have survived to the 21st century.”

He announced the proposal with then-Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), who is now Obama’s Secretary of Transportation.

Former Vice President Al Gore — After the 2000 election, Gore continued to support the current system. But Gore reversed course during this year’s Democratic National Convention, criticizing the process that ignores voters outside of swing states and cost him the election.

“I’ve seen how these states are written off and ignored, and people are effectively disenfranchised in the presidential race. And I really do now think it is time to change that,” Gore said on Current TV, an independent cable network that he co-founded.

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) and 29 Democratic cosponsors signed on to a bill during the current Congress that calls for the direct election of the president and vice president.

“The Electoral College is a relic, a throwback largely due to the slave-owners who dominated the politics of our new nation at its beginning,” Jackson wrote in a 2008 editorial.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y)
, the head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, this week proposed a constitutional amendment that would give 29 extra electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264347-obama-clinton-backed-reforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore


The electoral college is actually a check and balance on a few large states controlling the rest of the nation. I'd even go so far as to state that states divvying up their electoral votes have broken this critical cog.

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:44 pm
by _Jason Bourne
My guess is if Romney wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college republicans will whine about it too.

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:59 pm
by _Analytics
bcspace wrote:The electoral college is actually a check and balance on a few large states controlling the rest of the nation. I'd even go so far as to state that states divvying up their electoral votes have broken this critical cog.

The founding fathers didn't want a purely democratic system where one citizen gets one vote because that would mean the large states would control the smaller states. So they set up the electoral college because they wanted the nation to be controlled by Ohio and Florida.

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:05 pm
by _Molok
bcspace wrote:The electoral college is actually a check and balance on a few large states controlling the rest of the nation. I'd even go so far as to state that states divvying up their electoral votes have broken this critical cog.

Yes, it provides this check by.....assuring that a few states control the election.

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:24 am
by _EAllusion
I favor retaining the electoral college, but awarding electors proportionally state by state.

The original constitution was flawed in its set up of national elections. It is, after all, the founding document of the oldest modern democracy. We've already amended it several times to fix these oversights. It seems that BCSpace's characterization of wanting to change the constitution - a process provided for in the document itself for precisely such occasions - is really what counts as being opposed to the constitution.

Why do you hate the Constitution BCSpace?

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:53 am
by _Brackite
President Obama — Obama said he supported eliminating the Electoral College as a Senate candidate during a WTTW television debate against Republican Alan Keyes in 2004.

When asked, “Yes or no, eliminate the Electoral College?” Obama responded, “Yes … I think, at this point, this is breaking down.”


There has been an ad from Barack Obama which has been airing in Ohio, basically making it look like he is running for the President of Ohio.

Here is the Link to that ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgiuq2uR6LA


Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y)[/b], the head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, this week proposed a constitutional amendment that would give 29 extra electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote.


I very much like this idea.

Here is the Congressman statement about this:

US Rep Steve Israel Announces Legislation to Reform Electoral College in Future Elections

Huntington NY—Congressman Steve Israel (D-Huntington) announced a new proposal that would reform the Electoral College by awarding 29 bonus votes to the winner of the popular vote. Israel introduced a constitutional amendment, which would only take effect one year after ratification and would have no effect on the 2012 election. Some have speculated about the possibility of a tie in the coming election, which would result in the Congress breaking the tie for president and vice-president.

Steve Israel said, “The election for president should be an election for the whole country, not just the swing states. Obviously I have no intention of changing the rules for the campaign that’s underway now, but believe that we would be better served in the future if presidential candidates had an incentive to campaign in places like New York and Texas as well as swing states like New Hampshire and Iowa. By giving a bonus vote of 29 electoral votes, swing states would remain important, but states like New York would have a meaningful voice too.”

Others have called for similar reforms in the past, including the 20th Century Fund Task Force on Reform of the Presidential Election Process in 1978. Rep. Israel’s legislation differs from the Task Force’s proposal in the number of bonus votes allotted. The Task Force awarded 102 votes, with the stated purpose “making virtually certain that the candidate who receives the largest number of popular votes would be elected president.” Rep. Israel’s bonus votes allotted would only be 29—enough to break a tie or a very close election, but not enough to undermine the influence of small swing states in the Electoral College.

Historically, the winner of the popular vote has lost election only four times, John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George Bush in 2000. Israel’s proposal would only have changed the outcome of two of those elections: the elections of 2000 and 1876 were both decided by less than 29 electoral votes. The constitutional amendment would require passage by two-thirds of the House and Senate along with ratification by three-fourths of the states. The resolution would take effect one year following the ratification of the amendment, allowing time for presidential campaigns to adapt to new election rules.


http://israel.house.gov/index.php?optio ... s-releases

Re: Democrats: Opposed to the Consitution

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:23 am
by _moksha
When Britian demoted their House of Lords to a club for outmoded title holders, we kept our Senate. When they irradicated small pox, we kept our Electoral College. Thank goodness they have not awarded the Koch Brothers an honorary degree for all their patronage.