A tale of two Presidents: What do they stand for?

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A tale of two Presidents: What do they stand for?

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What were they doing on November 1, 2012:

Bill Clinton: On the campaign trail in Wisconsin, stumping for Obama. Cameras and media welcome.

George Bush: Making the keynote speech at the "Cayman Alternative Investment Summit" in (where else?) the Cayman Islands, with topics like 'The Evolution of the Wealth Management Industry".

What will George tell the huddled masses yearning to be free in the Cayman Islands?

NBC News wrote:GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands -- Organizers of an investment conference in the Cayman Islands have been forbidden from disclosing any details about a speech by former President George W. Bush in the offshore financial haven, an event spokesman said Thursday.
The keynote speech by the former president was "totally closed to all journalists," and conference organizers were banned from discussing any aspect of it even in general terms, spokesman Dan Kneipp said.
"We've got a complete blackout on discussing the Bush details," Kneipp told The Associated Press.


Gee, too bad there's a news blackout. I'm sure George would want the world to know what inspiring words he's saying about America.
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Re: A tale of two Presidents: What do they stand for?

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hmm
both are getting paid to speak before an audience
both are doing only what serves them well
One is putting on a show, spinning some yarns, and providing good television....style over substance
the other is Bush

is there a point to your post?

by the way...how come no mention of what Carter is doing?
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Stumping for a Socialist is no positive thing by any stretch of the imagination so Bush was doing the better work.

This election is about whether we will expand the welfare population ala the Cloward–Piven strategy and continue to distribute and ever shrinking pie to an ever growing unproductive part of society or whether we will be an industrious and wealthy nation. Obama and the Democrats represent the former, the Romney and the Republicans represent the latter.
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subgenius wrote:hmm
both are getting paid to speak before an audience
both are doing only what serves them well
One is putting on a show, spinning some yarns, and providing good television....style over substance
the other is Bush

is there a point to your post?

by the way...how come no mention of what Carter is doing?


Clinton is talking about the future of this country and what he believes in. He cares enough to campaign.

What does Bush care about? Well I know he cares about wealthy investors in the Cayman Islands. I'm not exactly sure what else Bush is doing because he won't let reporters in to see. We will never know if Bush is 'spinning some yarns' because he wants his speech kept in the dark.

I'm not sure where Carter was on November 1, but on October 30th he was in Cairo, taking part in a roundtable discussion on Youth Leadership in Egypt. Not bad for an 88 year old man.

And, by the way, his remarks were open to the public.

If making public campaign speeches or taking part in international political conferences is the same to you as making private talks before wealthy investors in the Cayman Islands, it really does make your political orientation a lot more understandable.
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Clinton is talking about the future of this country and what he believes in. He cares enough to campaign.


Yet he'll give no details as to how it will be accomplished and he won't admit that it involves enslaving the entire population.
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bcspace wrote:
Clinton is talking about the future of this country and what he believes in. He cares enough to campaign.


Yet he'll give no details as to how it will be accomplished and he won't admit that it involves enslaving the entire population.


Why haven't I seen this before, bcspace? Who can forget the horrible period of enslavement that was the Clinton years? That must be why so many Americans want to return to the salad days of George Bush.
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Yet he'll give no details as to how it will be accomplished and he won't admit that it involves enslaving the entire population.
Why haven't I seen this before, bcspace?


You're blind and historically ignorant?

Who can forget the horrible period of enslavement that was the Clinton years?


A Republican Congress forced him to balance the budget and that lit a fire under the economy. We also rebuffed Hillary Care which would have put the same huge drag on the economy Obamacare is doing now.

That must be why so many Americans want to return to the salad days of George Bush.


GWB had 6-7 years of a relatively good economy. More than Obama can possibly have even with a perfect second term which now seems impossible for the foreseeable future. Plus he had to deal with the Clinton Recession as soon as he took office.

In the meantime, Cuyahoga and Franklin counties in Ohio, Democrat strongholds, are down 10-12% from this time last year in early voting so far........
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Bush was the most unpopular president in recorded history. You probably have to go back to Hoover to find one as poorly regarded on the way out. He's still electoral poison for Romney. The Obama camp is trying to make the case that Romney represents a return to Bush. Having Bush stump for him would help that case. That's why he's not campaigning. It isn't because he doesn't care.
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Re: A tale of two Presidents: What do they stand for?

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MeDotOrg wrote: I'm sure George would want the world to know what inspiring words he's saying about America.


In the same manner that Mitt wanted everyone to know what he thought of the lowest economic half of America.

The Obama camp is trying to make the case that Romney represents a return to Bush.


Deregulating Wall Street so it will inevitably destroy itself again is reminiscent of Bush.
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Re: A tale of two Presidents: What do they stand for?

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MeDotOrg wrote:
Clinton is talking about the future of this country and what he believes in. He cares enough to campaign.

cares enough about power and money. He is not campaigning for free and he could care less about the drivel he is peddling. Clinton is more campaigning for his wife than he is for the guy that he once said "would be carrying our bags".

MeDotOrg wrote:What does Bush care about? Well I know he cares about wealthy investors in the Cayman Islands. I'm not exactly sure what else Bush is doing because he won't let reporters in to see. We will never know if Bush is 'spinning some yarns' because he wants his speech kept in the dark.

last time i checked, Bush was a private citizen.

MeDotOrg wrote:I'm not sure where Carter was on November 1, but on October 30th he was in Cairo, taking part in a roundtable discussion on Youth Leadership in Egypt. Not bad for an 88 year old man.

not bad at all...especially wise enough to muddle in the election....reeks of desperation...too bad for slick willy....the irony of his condemnations of Romney's integrity...that is what is is.

MeDotOrg wrote:And, by the way, his remarks were open to the public.

so what...give him a cookie. Perhaps we could ask Obama why his remarks about Fast and Furious are not "open to the public".

MeDotOrg wrote:If making public campaign speeches or taking part in international political conferences is the same to you as making private talks before wealthy investors in the Cayman Islands, it really does make your political orientation a lot more understandable.

wow, iron clad argument my friend...take a snapshot of one day and render judgment.
and exactly how is making a public campaign speech being valued as "better"?

Personally i consider telling lies and selling false hope to the public at large to be much worse than telling lies and selling false hope to a select group in private.
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