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Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:10 pm
by _Droopy
Keep in mind that Barack Obama is a revolutionary Marxist steeped both in traditional Marxist-Leninst class war ideology (Frank Marshall Davis) but who's ideological core is more deeply indebted to the transformational, incremental "long march" model of Gramsci, the Frankfurt School, and the political strategies of revolution of Richard Cloward, Francis Fox Pivin, and, most saliently, Saul Alinsky.

It must be remembered that, for the Left, "the rich" form a tiny cabal of a dominant "ruling class" who control the means of production and who's economic activities (saving capital, inventing it, creating jobs, and reinvesting capital in an expanding process of wealth creation) actually create impoverishment at lower socioeconomic levels. Wealth creation - productive economic activity - otherwise known as "work," creates poverty among the lower socioeconomic strata of society, in this view.

Since the long history of the industrial revolution and, most starkly, the economic history of the U.S. after WWII, shows this idea to be entirely fictional, it became necessary to concentrate, not on the impoverished proletarian masses, which, in capitalist nations and particularly in America, where economic liberty, opportunity, and dynamic, competitive economic growth and creativity were the strongest, had become an irrelevant concept and where the continual rising of living standards across all income strata and middle classness had became the norm, but upon the middle class itself.

The middle classes are not "the rich," to the Left, but they are the bourgeoisie affluent, and are as complicit in the impoverishment of "the poor" as are the rich. The bourgeois middle classes are moral sell-outs; they have achieved the affluence and economic security the capitalists have allowed them, and are comfortable in their economic circumstances, circumstances in which revolutionary consciousness cannot develop as it has been diluted by personal economic security mediated by private property rights. Neither they nor the affluent "blue collar" factory workers and tradesmen once associated with the proletariat have any interest in overturning the established order or in egalitarian social and economic arraignments as a matter of ideological theory. They see no basis for such a transformation (Obama's giveaway term for years on end) of the social order.

Hence, the core focus now is not on the idea that wealth creation at the top creates poverty at the bottom (a patently discredited notion), but on the concept of "income inequality." This is useful because it it creates relative dissatisfaction, resentment, and envy among lower income people who are otherwise getting along fairly well, and among the truly poor, who, although poor, are poor in a distinctly relative sense.

The taxes hidden within Obamacare aimed directly at the middle class, their draconian, punitive rates, and the coercive, police state nature of the entire structure of Obamacare (buy health insurance or get a call from the IRS), are a clear indication of precisely this mentality in action through actual policy.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -new-taxes

While we were all debating the cost to our liberty due to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), we were ignoring the cost to our pockets. If there ever was a reason for bipartisan rage about this law, it should be on the twenty - yes, twenty - hidden new taxes of this law. Making matters even more relevant is that seven of these taxes are levied on all citizens regardless of income. Hence, Mr. Obama’s promise not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 is just another falsehood associated with this legislation.

The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.

Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.

The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class. This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts. Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class? It is because funds in these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families.

Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted gross income. This is the hurdle that must be met before medical expenses over that hurdle can be taken as a deduction on federal income taxes. Obamacare raises this hurdle to 10% of adjusted gross income beginning in 2013. Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.

The fifth new tax on the middle class, and all Americans, is the Health Savings Account (HSA) Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10% currently to 20% beginning in 2013. This provision actually sets these accounts apart from Investment Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and other tax advantaged accounts, all of which remain with a 10% early withdrawal tax.

Another regressive tax that is part of this law began in 2010 and that is the Indoor Tanning Services Tax, which places a 10% excise tax on people using tanning salons. While some may regard this as insignificant, the broader implication is that this act of taxation is a blatant move by the federal government to control the behavior of citizens. This provision, as does the Individual Mandate and as Justice Kennedy said during the oral arguments on the constitutionality of the law said, “….fundamentally changes the relationship between the federal government and the citizen.”

The seventh new tax that directly impacts the middle class, along with all citizens, is the Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans or the “Cadillac” Health Insurance Plan Tax. These are plans that provide extensive coverage and that are generally fully paid for, or largely paid for, by employers. This provision imposes a 40% excise tax on the employer-paid premium on taxpayers who are covered by such plans, beginning in 2018. The reason it begins in 2018 is because most unionized workers are covered by plans that fall under this definition and a deferral was made to spare union members from this tax for at least a period of time.

There are thirteen other taxes that apply to businesses and that apply to high income (over $250,000 per year) households. While these additional provisions will not impact the middle class directly, they can have serious indirect consequences for middle and low income earners. Beginning in 2014, the Employer Mandate Tax will impose an annual non-deductible tax on employers with more than 50 employees who do not provide health insurance for their employees.

The impact of this provision on low and middle income earners, and really all working Americans, is that employers will be confronted with three choices. The first is provide some level of health insurance, as many do today, and there would be no impact on employees. The second choice is to pay the penalty, which would most likely be less expensive than providing health insurance, and force employees to seek their own health insurance or purchase it through federal government controlled state exchanges. Studies have estimated that 20 million Americans will lose their employee funded health insurance as a result of this provision and employers electing this option. The third choice is for employers to lay off employees, or not hire additional employees, because Obamacare forces them to either provide health insurance or pay the new tax.

Another new tax, the Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers that begins in 2013, places a 2.3% excise tax on all items retailing for more than $100. This provision will not only drive up the cost of various medical devices ranging from mobility assistance devices to personal testing supplies, but will also impact an industry that employs 360,000 people in 6,000 plants across our country. This tax, while not a direct tax, would have significant negative impact on the middle class.

The Surtax on Investment Income for households earning $250,000 and more, beginning in 2013, will raise the Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 23.8% on investment income for these households and will raise Taxes on Dividends from 15% to 43.4% for the same households. Aside from the impact on retired citizens dependent on dividends, this provision will pull income from the private economy. In addition, the tax rate on Other Investment Income earned by Subchapter S Corporation (which many small business are organized as, allowing the owners to claim all business income as personal income) will rise from 35% to 43.4%. This part of the provision would place additional pressure on small businesses resulting in more layoffs and less hiring, impacting all American workers.

All but one of the remaining new taxes in Obamacare are directed at health industry businesses and while they will not impact middle income families directly, the additional costs will most likely be passed on to the public. The last new tax is really interesting, it is a tax on certain biofuels!

These are the facts. It does not matter if you support Mr. Obama and his new law or if you oppose it, the new taxes on the middle class or real and all Americans should understand their impact on their families and the economy. Citizens, regardless of political beliefs, should recognize that Obamacare was passed with almost no sunlight shined on these middle class tax increases and need to understand that the new law was sold with the promise that there would be no new middle class taxes. This is not partisan, it is simply the reality of politics.


Present within Obamacare itself, and especially in certain aspects of it, such as the 40% tax on employer-paid premiums are incentives that encourage the abandonment by employers of private health insurance and the forcing of Americans into the government health exchanges, with the final goal, as Obama telegraphed years ago, of a full transformation to a single payer, fully nationalized system of healthcare rationing under the control of the Ruling Class.

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/1 ... ss-and-the

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:42 pm
by _honorentheos
Question, Droopy: should the government subsidize healthcare?

The personal mandate has it's own threads here.

Your second point is arguing the government should be paying for people's asprin and bandaids so long as they have a job with an employer who can support an FSA or HSA.

Third point - it's reducing the dollar amount of healthcare the government is allowed to subsidize under an FSA.

Same with the fourth, fifth, and seventh .

Sixth is a legitimately conservative concern: should the government be allowed to tax people for engaging in activities that increase their health risks to create a deterent as well as fund health care? I don't think it fundementally changes things since we've seen "sin" taxes for a long time in America. Some may have to adjust their moral thinking (Is tanning similar to smoking, even if the WOW doesn't say anything about tanning bed use?).

In effect, you're arguing that the problem with the ACA is that it is too conservative.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:21 pm
by _Droopy
honorentheos wrote:Question, Droopy: should the government subsidize healthcare?


No. It has no constitutional business doing so, nor any plausible competence in taking on that responsibility.

Your second point is arguing the government should be paying for people's asprin and bandaids so long as they have a job with an employer who can support an FSA or HSA.


Here's what the text actually said:

Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.


You see, honoretheos, the entire incentive and pressure here is to encourage employers to end company funded HSA's and cut their employees loose, forcing them into the government exchanges. If you want over-the-counter medications paid for, in other words, the state will make you an offer you can't refuse: buy government insurance, or face the IRS.

Sieg Hiel, my friend.


Third point - it's reducing the dollar amount of healthcare the government is allowed to subsidize under an FSA.

Same with the fourth, fifth, and seventh .


Government involvement in markets and in the provision of services never reduces costs. They are costs! They are all new net costs to the economy. There is no historical precedent in any program or initiative of the welfare state by which one could, with a straight face, make such a claim. Secondly, taxes cost money; they are net costs to the private sector and individuals on who they fall.

Good heavens! The entire Obamacare system is a net loss to the American economy, and a fully socialized system will only increase its costs. Obamacare costs money - the entire edifice is a tax and/or fiat money financed state monopoly. Anything the state will not finance in a nationalized system is care that will not be received. That is why all socialized systems are schemes of healthcare rationing. The FSA limitations may limit what the state can subsidize, but if you had actually read the text of the analysis, you would have seen that:

these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families.


Why limit them at all? Why the control? Why all the micromanagement of personal economic behavior and healtcare choices? Why all the control-freakishness?

The Medical Itemized Deduction is 7.5% of adjusted gross income. Before a deduction can be taken on federal income taxes, Obamacare now raises this bar to 10% of adjusted gross income as of 2013. Let's take a look at the text again, as you seem not to have read it:

Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.


Is any comprehension now dawning? This is an overt attack on the middle class through the tax code, and its purpose is to limit and decrease personal, private control of funds utilized for healthcare purposes and transfer responsibility for them to the state.

Sixth is a legitimately conservative concern: should the government be allowed to tax people for engaging in activities that increase their health risks to create a deterrent as well as fund health care? I don't think it fundamentally changes things since we've seen "sin" taxes for a long time in America. Some may have to adjust their moral thinking (Is tanning similar to smoking, even if the WOW doesn't say anything about tanning bed use?).


Interesting arguments for the police state you wish to see imposed in this country. It is a pertinent question, from a Constitutional and a Founding principles perspective whether the state should tax (and punish) people for doing things that theoretically increase health risks.

Of course, if the state has no business controlling and enforcing among citizens what they should eat and in what quantities; if they should smoke and drink, consume trans-fats, fast food, Twinkies and coke, then this would be a moot point.

I do find it very interesting that you are willing to allow the mailed fist of the state and its monopoly on force to dictate/control the food and lifestyle choices of its citizens in the name of lowering health risks. This was, of course, exactly what the government in Nineteen Eighty Four was concerned with. Each morning, Winston Smith was awakened by Big Brother and made to do his morning exercises. Why? Because, of course, the state wants its galley slaves to be healthy, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and to live long, healthy, and useful lives. All the better to serve the state for the common good.

The state needs worker ants, and as this election has made crystal clear, it already has an abundance of drones.

A free market capitalist healthcare system that was in business to create wealth while serving its clients, and which existed in a dynamic, open, competitive economic environment, combined with real, toothy tort reform, would in short order solve the vast majority of our healthcare problems, including its skyrocketing price (many of which, in such an environment, would quickly undergo a substantial deflation over time down to market-bearing price ranges).

In effect, you're arguing that the problem with the ACA is that it is too conservative.


Rational discourse is now impossible, as I said above.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:45 am
by _honorentheos
Droopy wrote:
honorentheos wrote:Question, Droopy: should the government subsidize healthcare?


No. It has no constitutional business doing so, nor any plausible competence in taking on that responsibility.

That's what I thought you believed.

Your second point is arguing the government should be paying for people's asprin and bandaids so long as they have a job with an employer who can support an FSA or HSA.


Here's what the text actually said:

Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.


You see, honoretheos, the entire incentive and pressure here is to encourage employers to end company funded HSA's and cut their employees loose, forcing them into the government exchanges. If you want over-the-counter medications paid for, in other words, the state will make you an offer you can't refuse: buy government insurance, or face the IRS.

Sieg Hiel, my friend.

Your desire to invent and project motive that aligns with your prejudice really does make dialog difficult.

The quote was clear about what changed in 2011. And it amounted to the government subsidizing over-the-counter health care costs for things like cold medicine, band aids, and other things I suspect YOU think the government should not be subsidizing.

Your rant is a strawman based on some crazy narrative you invented.


Third point - it's reducing the dollar amount of healthcare the government is allowed to subsidize under an FSA.

Same with the fourth, fifth, and seventh .


Government involvement in markets and in the provision of services never reduces costs. They are costs! They are all new net costs to the economy. There is no historical precedent in any program or initiative of the welfare state by which one could, with a straight face, make such a claim. Secondly, taxes cost money; they are net costs to the private sector and individuals on who they fall.

WTF are you talking about? An FSA, HSA, etc., effectively creates a government subsidy for healthcare spending. Your rant is again way off base and no where near the point.

Good heavens! The entire Obamacare system is a net loss to the American economy, and a fully socialized system will only increase its costs. Obamacare costs money - the entire edifice is a tax and/or fiat money financed state monopoly. Anything the state will not finance in a nationalized system is care that will not be received. That is why all socialized systems are schemes of healthcare rationing. The FSA limitations may limit what the state can subsidize, but if you had actually read the text of the analysis, you would have seen that:

these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families.


Why limit them at all? Why the control? Why all the micromanagement of personal economic behavior and healthcare choices? Why all the control-freakishness?

I totally agree. Why limit them at all? Unless you are against government subsidizing healthcare costs. Then you might want to limit them.

The Medical Itemized Deduction is 7.5% of adjusted gross income. Before a deduction can be taken on federal income taxes, Obamacare now raises this bar to 10% of adjusted gross income as of 2013. Let's take a look at the text again, as you seem not to have read it:

Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.


Is any comprehension now dawning? This is an overt attack on the middle class through the tax code, and its purpose is to limit and decrease personal, private control of funds utilized for healthcare purposes and transfer responsibility for them to the state.

Cool. Let's remove the taxable income benefits these provide since they amount to a government subsidy of healthcare.

Rational discourse is now impossible, as I said above.

It helps if you, meaning Droopy, had a consistent worldview. You can't believe the government should not subsidize healthcare and then take ownership of most of the arguments from that article. Saying it's "raising taxes" is just spin. The effect of the items listed in the article, other than the tanning bed tax, are effectively reducing what is a government subsidy of healthcare costs.

Don't mistake my argument for saying I agree with these effects of the ACA completely. But when you can't even understand what you are arguing for and that it's inconsistent with one of your core political beliefs then how is it possible to discuss an issue with you? You're so convinced that Obama is some sort of economic atom bomb about to destroy the US you don't seem to understand why this line of attack is just politics. And basically the kind used in elections to persuade low-information voters who aren't thinking for themselves. Unless you think that description fits you, making the case these are tax increases is misleading. If you believe the argument from the article and want to see the opposite while believing the government should not subsidize healthcare costs, then you are a fool.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:29 pm
by _Droopy
WTF are you talking about? An FSA, HSA, etc., effectively creates a government subsidy for healthcare spending. Your rant is again way off base and no where near the point.


Excuse me but HSA's "create a government subsidy for healthcare spending?" Contributions to a tax-exempt (at the time of deposit) HSA are made by the individual or his employer and the funds within it remain the property of the employee. They are created with the employee's own money. There is no government subsidy. What are you talking about?

An FSA (flexible spending arrangement) is a financial account in which an employee places a portion of his paycheck into a payroll tax exempt account to pay for medical expenses (These funds don't roll over, year to year, if not spent, like those in HSAs). Again, there is no government subsidy, and again, what are you talking about?

Cool. Let's remove the taxable income benefits these provide since they amount to a government subsidy of healthcare.


Please explain the theory and assumptions underlying this claim.

It helps if you, meaning Droopy, had a consistent worldview. You can't believe the government should not subsidize healthcare and then take ownership of most of the arguments from that article. Saying it's "raising taxes" is just spin. The effect of the items listed in the article, other than the tanning bed tax, are effectively reducing what is a government subsidy of healthcare costs.


I think you're being obtuse, vague, and furtive in your use of language and in your clarity of articulation of your ideas for a reason, and I suspect I know what that reason is.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:36 pm
by _Droopy
to the point:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-atte ... -accounts/

The Attempted Murder of HSAs

Posted by Doug Bandow

There may be nothing that more scares advocates of government-controlled health care than giving patients control over their medical treatment. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the current versions of health care “reform” would kill off Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

Explains John Fund in the Wall Street Journal:

Eight million Americans, according to the Treasury Department, are covered by plans with low-cost premiums and high deductibles that are designed for large, unexpected medical costs. Money is also set aside in a savings account to cover the deductibles, and whatever isn’t spent in one year can build up tax-free. Nearly a third of new HSA users, according to Treasury figures, previously had no insurance or bought coverage on their own.

These policies will be severely limited. The Senate plan says a policy deemed “acceptable” must have insurance (rather than the individual) pay out at least 76% of the benefits. The House plan is pegged at 70%. That’s not the way these plans are set up to work. Roy Ramthun, who implemented the HSA regulations at the Treasury Department in 2003, says the regulations are crippling. “Companies tell me they could be forced to take products off the market,” he said in an interview.

This level of micro-management is a good argument in principle against the sort of “reform” currently being promoted on Capitol Hill. But the proposed rules likely were drafted in order to eliminate HSAs as an option. Explains Ryan Ellis of American Shareholders:

If an insurance plan must pay for 70 or 76 percent of all health care costs, it would be next to impossible for it to qualify as a high-deductible health plan. No HDHP, no HSA contribution.

The only hope a plan would have would be to do the following:

Have a deductible no higher than the HDHP minimum ($1150 single, $2300 family in 2009)
The out of pocket limit would have to be an identical amount
The plan would have to cover all allowable preventive care on a first-dollar basis (annual physical, prenatal and well-child, immunizations, smoking cessation, weight loss programs, and early screening services)

Any HDHP which is this generous would have very little premium savings relative to a traditional health insurance plan. If the typical HDHP today shaves about 33 percent off your premium, a plan like this might only shave off about 10 percent. There would be very little incentive to get an HSA-qualified insurance plan.

HSAs are an imperfect vehicle, an attempt to deal with the perverse incentives created by Washington’s favorable tax treatment of employer-provided health care. But the limitations inherent to HSAs should impel us to expand, not eliminate vehicles to enhance consumer choice. The more we find out about health care “reform,” the more obvious it is that patients would be the biggest losers.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:48 pm
by _Droopy
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... re-costly/


In any case, the attack by Obamacare on HSA's is an attack precisely because it is the individual's own money that contributes to it and the individual that makes his own healthcare discussions and pays more of his own expenses. This just won't do in the brave new outcome-based America of Barack Obama and his Big Marx Candy Mountain vision of "social justice."

The incentives created by most Obamacare regulations are specifically designed to move citizens out of private, market-based employer and individual funded health programs and into the government exchanges, with the eventual situation intended to be a fully nationalized, single-payer system. Everyone who has looked carefully at the legislation itself understands the intent of much of its regulatory controls, sticks, and carrots, the only difference being whether one approves or disapproves of that intent.

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:15 pm
by _honorentheos
Let me try a different approach and see if you get it.

Riddle me this: how are the proposed changes under the ACA a tax on the middle class, speficially those pertaining to HSAs and FSAs?

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:47 pm
by _MeDotOrg
Droopy wrote:Keep in mind that Barack Obama is a revolutionary Marxist steeped both in traditional Marxist-Leninst class war ideology (Frank Marshall Davis) but who's ideological core is more deeply indebted to the transformational, incremental "long march" model of Gramsci, the Frankfurt School, and the political strategies of revolution of Richard Cloward, Francis Fox Pivin, and, most saliently, Saul Alinsky


Given that you are privy to all of Obama's ideological influences, why is it that neither Romney nor Ryan warned us that Obama was a revolutionary Marxist? Wouldn't that be their duty as freedom-loving, God-fearing Americans? Don't they love this country as much as you do?

How does Joe Biden fit into the picture? Is he a revolutionary Marxist or just a dupe? Are all the members of the Democratic Party Revolutionary Marxists and in on the conspiracy?

And, most importantly, is the C.I.A. secretly curtailing the production of tin foil so that Americans won't be able to make enough hats to prevent the Government from reading their thoughts?

Re: Obamacare: Middle Class Search and Destroy

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:55 pm
by _Droopy
honorentheos wrote:Let me try a different approach and see if you get it.

Riddle me this: how are the proposed changes under the ACA a tax on the middle class, speficially those pertaining to HSAs and FSAs?




All government generated increases in the cost of living - in non-market based overhead the must be paid before income becomes "disposable," - is effectively a tax.

Regulatory compliance costs are a tax. Personal and corporate income or payroll taxes are a tax, but so are the administrative compliance costs associated with paying, calculating, or avoiding them. General price Inflation (a state created phenomenon) is a tax.

The state has no business being in the healthcare business, constitutionally or as a matter of any demonstrated competence. Very few Americans wanted Obamcare or were clamoring for it. This is something that those who worship the state and state power, and those dependent upon it, have wanted for a long time, and now they shall receive it - whether they like it or not.