DiscussMormonism.com

And in the middle of the fed’s financial crisis you have President Obama. His mainstream media face time suggests that he’s leading the galant charge to liberate America from the impending fiscal terrors; but, as the US finally makes the trip over the edge, the President will be in beautiful, sunny Hawaii, soaking in a 20-day, $4 million dollar vacation …oceans away from the problems that the rest of us are facing.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/23636-o ... 4-million/

So, how can you reasonably conclude that this guy is actually going to put policies, or even conjure policies up, that will make your life better?

those who voted for this guy are living up to the charge from malcolm x...you are a political chump

There's really not much for a President to do. You have to judge him by his party, his appointments, his foreign policy, the legislation he supports and forces through, whether or not he keeps his campaign promises, and his executive orders. By those standards, Obama has failed miserably. Simply being a Democrat puts one in a position of being in opposition to the founding fathers and the ideals this country was built on.

And a well deserved vacation at that! I hope he enjoys his stay.

In the meantime, the Republicans in the HoR, led by Eric Cantor, just released their calendar for 2013, which says they will only work for 109 days out of the year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... s-in-2012/

What's the matter subgenius, FOX News didn't mention that little fact for you?

Hardly surprising. I just watched Bill O'Reilly lie on TV (as usual) while discussing Obama's budget proposal. He said Obama didn't propose a single cut in any government spending and had absolutely nothing critical to say about the Republicans' attempt to, yet again, fall on their own sword to protect the richest 2% - their primary constituents.

It just goes to show they were never really serious about their "concerns" over the debt or the deficit.

bcspace wrote:There's really not much for a President to do. You have to judge him by his party, his appointments, his foreign policy, the legislation he supports and forces through, whether or not he keeps his campaign promises, and his executive orders. By those standards, Obama has failed miserably. Simply being a Democrat puts one in a position of being in opposition to the founding fathers and the ideals this country was built on.

I recognize that a President, or either party, is a titular role in our modern times...however, as the standard bearer for his party he indicates the temperament, character, and motivation of that party...to that end, Obama reflects his party and his appointments by his behavior.

Kevin Graham wrote:And a well deserved vacation at that! I hope he enjoys his stay.

In the meantime, the Republicans in the HoR, led by Eric Cantor, just released their calendar for 2013, which says they will only work for 109 days out of the year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... s-in-2012/

What's the matter subgenius, FOX News didn't mention that little fact for you?

can't stand FOX news because they, like you, pay little attention to actual facts. Exactly what do you imagine these guys do when they are not "in session"? You realize they have offices in their home districts wherein they actually do their work? where they actually meet with constituents, craft legislation, etc....
are you really so uninformed about how congress works?...oh, right...you are....you watch msnbc.

Kevin Graham wrote:Hardly surprising. I just watched Bill O'Reilly lie on TV (as usual) while discussing Obama's budget proposal. He said Obama didn't propose a single cut in any government spending and had absolutely nothing critical to say about the Republicans' attempt to, yet again, fall on their own sword to protect the richest 2% - their primary constituents.

It just goes to show they were never really serious about their "concerns" over the debt or the deficit.

and hardly surprising is how you rely on pundits and mass media for your information and for your opinions...and like a good Obama-ite for your thinking.
Perhaps you should sit in on a basic Civics class and read a little legislation for yourself on occasion...and try watching c-span.....it forces you to think for yourself, which you may find uncomfortable at first (as your inner Obama will rebel against it)...but trust me...it will serve you better.

Of course you don't watch FOX, subgenius! Their talking points just happen to instantly transfer to your mind via osmosis. Makes sense. Now you want to pretend that working just 100 days out of the year is normal for Congress, claiming you know how it really works in Congress whereas I do not. But you ignored the article which cites Nancy Pelosi who says it really isn't normal at all, especially given the dire situations we face today as a nation. It is as if the Republicans just went ahead and planned to do what they've been doing the past few years. And what would that be? Virtually nothing.

This Republican led House has been responsible for the least productive Congress since 1947! Only 61 bills passed this year and only 90 last year. Contrast that with the nearly 1000 bills passed during Bush's second term.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/was ... 57060096/1

With all your whining about MSNBC, you're the idiot who recently asserted that Ohio's election was rigged because Obama won all the votes within a single county. Why? Because someone edited a graphic saying so and posted it on Facebook. You just took it for granted and relayed it our way. Yeah, you're one with credibility!

Congress not being in session is not the same as congressional representatives not working. Historically, the intent was for congress to be in session a relatively small amount of the year while representatives spent time in their district developing agenda for the people they are supposed to represent. The extent to which that actually happens varies, but that's the idea. Modern technology makes that less necessary, to an extent, but it's silly to equate days in session with days reps are working. Indeed, the modern technology point cuts both ways and it isn't necessary for Congress to be in session for a good bulk of what Congress does in terms of crafting legislation and negotiating it to take place.

EAllusion wrote:Congress not being in session is not the same as congressional representatives not working. Historically, the intent was for congress to be in session a relatively small amount of the year while representatives spent time in their district developing agenda for the people they are supposed to represent. The extent to which that actually happens varies, but that's the idea. Modern technology makes that less necessary, to an extent, but it's silly to equate days in session with days reps are working. Indeed, the modern technology point cuts both ways and it isn't necessary for Congress to be in session for a good bulk of what Congress does in terms of crafting legislation and negotiating it to take place.

Fair enough. I only posted this because subgenius was whining about Obama's Hawaii vacation. But I do think the Republican House has already taken it for granted they're going to be another do-nothing Congress.

I get a kick out of the way FOX News is coming out acting like the Republicans have a leg to stand on in this debate. As if Obama has no reason to believe he has a mandate to push the same proposal he offered before the election. O'Reilly balked at the fact that "Obama only got three million more votes out of more than 120 million." Suggesting that a huge portion of the population still disagrees with Obama. But polls show that roughly 60% of Americans agree with Obama's increased tax plan on the wealthiest Americans.

The Republicans have nothing to fall back on except the usual talking points from "think tanks" that have been refuted time and time again. No, increasing taxes on the richest 2% isn't going to hurt jobs. There is no evidence to suggest that. None. The only valid explanation they have for their willingness to fall on their sword to defend tax cuts for the rich, is that they are working on behalf of their primary constituents, the uber wealthy! This is just a different chapter of the same ole story. They never learn.

...can't stand FOX news because they, like you, pay little attention to actual facts.

Yes, such as:

the Republicans' attempt to, yet again, fall on their own sword to protect the richest 2% - their primary constituents.

This fairy story has been perhaps the major trope of the Left and the Democrats since I was a child (and indeed, had its demagogic origin during the New Deal) Its pure puff, but no matter. The contemporary Democrat party is the party of the elite, privileged, urban/corporate rich like nothing anyone in the Republican party ever dreamed.

are you really so uninformed about how congress works?...oh, right...you are....you watch msnbc.

MSNBC is actually probably too right-wing for Graham. More likely, when he's not getting his memes and mantras from Media Matters and Commondreams he's watching Link TV and FSTV.

The Republicans have nothing to fall back on except the usual talking points from "think tanks" that have been refuted time and time again. No, increasing taxes on the richest 2% isn't going to hurt jobs. There is no evidence to suggest that. None. The only valid explanation they have for their willingness to fall on their sword to defend tax cuts for the rich, is that they are working on behalf of their primary constituents, the uber wealthy! This is just a different chapter of the same ole story. They never learn.

One has to really digest this kind of intellectually facile, psychologically primitive, pop-Marxist class war twaddle with a substantial quantity of Pepto-Bismol at hand. No one with the slightest substantive knowledge of modern political reality, who the doners to both parties are and in what relative numbers, and what interests the Democrat party actually represent and the disproportionately vast financial power they wield compared to the Right, can possible take this kind of tendentious breast-beating seriously.

Kevin is a textbook example of the Democratic party base and why the nation is now entering its terminal phase as a free, rule of law and limited government based constitutional republic.